russ91 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 right guys on some of my permishon there are quite a few guy poch on there with dogs is there any way of preventing them or stoping them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 There are methods but not all can discussed on a public forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipmoff Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 You have to be carefull how you handle this we have had a similar problem on one of my permissions where a couple of sheep were killed by dogs. If you go in heavy handed then the repercusions on the land owner could cost you your permission if they come back and let stock out etc. If you pull them while your out shooting they may phone the police and say you threatened them with a gun then you are the one who would be taken away. Best bet is to notify the police of the problem and ask anyone local you know to give yourself or the poilce a ring if they see them on the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Russ do not take the law into your own hands. One of my local farmers had trouble with travelers running long dogs on his land. After several warnings he shot one of the dogs only to have the farm beseaged with dozens of angry travlers threatening him. The police had to rescue the farmer and he almost lost his FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ91 Posted March 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 dont wirry guys i wont take the law into my own hands thereis one lad who gose on there and sets a lot of snares for both rabbit and fox i know the lad and hav had a few words with him asking him to stop but he still carrys on. i hav phoned the police befor after the farmer asked me to report that he had some one running a dog after a fox on his land but they are not interested they wont even come when there is some one up a pilon stripping the earth wire off for scrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Barrett .50 and NV. No seriously, notify the land owner and get the authorities involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) The guy with the snares, no problem just go behind him and pocket his snares every day, he will soon give up. The long dogs, around here we shoot all of the hares, that way they have nothing to come on your land for. It's not so much the poaching, but they drive across the wheat and then round and round in circles whilst watching the chase, three or four range Rovers doing this on a field of young wheat create one hell of a mess. As for the law, if they do come (unlikely I know) and find aggro and you with a gun, you will be the villain. Edited March 11, 2008 by bob300w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr lee Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 If you find snares or traps then confiscate them Russ. Hand them into the police if needs be and get some cheap signs made up dotted around the fencing if the farmer is willing to cough up stating all poachers will be reported to the police and any tools/equipment will be confiscated. Once they have lost a few traps and start to become out of pocket it may just make them find new land which then isn't your problem. If the land has electric fences make sure they are all working too and signed accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Barrett .50 and NV. No seriously, notify the land owner and get the authorities involved No point, they have been caught numerous times on local farms, they have threatened the farmer with violence or burning his barns, no farmer yet around here has had poachers charged. Look at it from their point of view, a hare against a barn full of feed or cattle, would you? Authorities? Yeah, right, they are too busy chasing motorists. Course we could always go back to your original plan, the 50 cal and NV, but Tony Martin succeeded with far less firepower and a bead sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ91 Posted March 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 i go around with a per of wire snippers cutting all the snairs up. i marks all the snares with a small deflated balloon on a stick in the ground so i now what to expect when i see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I shoot every hare on every permission I have. I don't enjoy shooting hares at all, but the didds seem to go elsewhere for their sport. My boss, a farmer, refuses to shoot any hares on his 1500-acre farm, and guess what - he's had didds coursing on there twice so far this month.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ91 Posted March 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 thats the thing i dont understand there is no hairs on my permishon its fox and a few rabbits and the od roe that wonders across from the wood on the over side ov a duel carageway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 nett them up and move them no? we had a problem with hare coursing and some one shooting greys witha air gun and illigle pheasant cachers me and 3 other lads went up their after the farmer told us he was on we met him at a gate way and said if he is not off hear in 3 minets the farmer will be hear with the gun and salt pellets for him and he can shoot you (bull poo i know ) the pheasant cachers are now in the back garden and the lad witha air gun is now banned for using any thing other than a water pistol so if you have asked them not to and the fuzz arnet interested them your hands are tiede sorry mate a couple of farmers just shoot lose dogs and they have never been troubled by the fuzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciltalgarth Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) One of these http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee128/c.../Vasco-work.jpg This is the father of my Doberman bitch. Edited March 11, 2008 by ciltalgarth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) Avoid confrontation if at all possible. A well placed farm implement will stop those who drive over the land once they ruin their tyres on it but for those who poach on foot your hands are tied. If they are local "travellers" then you can try to get the police to intervene but dont hold your breath. Do not at any cost wind them up or get into a fight, they have no morals at all. That said, if you put **** a ****** of ***** in a 25lt drum and ****** it to a *******, with a **** p*** in the top the problem usually drives away in its untaxed transit / pick up rather rapidly. Not condoning anything involving seaveral *s but you get my drift. No Deliah Smith but if you want the recipe for the above pm me Edited March 11, 2008 by digger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 It's a shame that some feel the "fuzz" arn't interested in poachers in thier part of the country. In cambridgeshire there is a (small) dedicated team to deal with coursers and the like which I'm proud to be part of. sent two more to court to day, following a short lived chase with the aid of our helicopter. Thats about 30 for me for this coursing season alone. And we hit em hard. £400- 600 each driving disqualifations for everyone in the vehicle, and forefiture of the vehicle for a starter for ten. Then if the same people decide to come back to our county its ASBO time!! Also had a call from a gamekeeper ( i was off duty) tonight, with regards a sus vehicle looking for deer, Ill help him out in the morning. 97% reduction in the last 4 years...... you can't say we dont take poachers seriously in Cambridgeshire. I love my job...... Its so sweet to see their faces when magistrates say "and you are disqualified from driving............" It is good to see some good advice given though. DO NOT CONFRONT THESE PEOPLE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY. get a registration number if you can. and report it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ91 Posted March 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 thanks for the advice but they dont come in cars they muct live local and just walk onto the fields the truble is my permishon is surounded buy houses and residesal ares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean k Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 It's a shame that some feel the "fuzz" arn't interested in poachers in thier part of the country. In cambridgeshire there is a (small) dedicated team to deal with coursers and the like which I'm proud to be part of. sent two more to court to day, following a short lived chase with the aid of our helicopter. Thats about 30 for me for this coursing season alone. And we hit em hard. £400- 600 each driving disqualifations for everyone in the vehicle, and forefiture of the vehicle for a starter for ten. Then if the same people decide to come back to our county its ASBO time!! Also had a call from a gamekeeper ( i was off duty) tonight, with regards a sus vehicle looking for deer, Ill help him out in the morning. 97% reduction in the last 4 years...... you can't say we dont take poachers seriously in Cambridgeshire. I love my job...... Its so sweet to see their faces when magistrates say "and you are disqualified from driving............" It is good to see some good advice given though. DO NOT CONFRONT THESE PEOPLE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY. get a registration number if you can. and report it. Glad to read it mate, it gets a bit boring on forums every time they talk about us it slagging off for tickets to motorists etc!! Keep up the good work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 It's a shame that some feel the "fuzz" arn't interested in poachers in thier part of the country. In cambridgeshire there is a (small) dedicated team to deal with coursers and the like which I'm proud to be part of. sent two more to court to day, following a short lived chase with the aid of our helicopter. Thats about 30 for me for this coursing season alone. And we hit em hard. £400- 600 each driving disqualifations for everyone in the vehicle, and forefiture of the vehicle for a starter for ten. Then if the same people decide to come back to our county its ASBO time!! Also had a call from a gamekeeper ( i was off duty) tonight, with regards a sus vehicle looking for deer, Ill help him out in the morning. 97% reduction in the last 4 years...... you can't say we dont take poachers seriously in Cambridgeshire. I love my job...... Its so sweet to see their faces when magistrates say "and you are disqualified from driving............" It is good to see some good advice given though. DO NOT CONFRONT THESE PEOPLE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY. get a registration number if you can. and report it. Glad to see that at least one force is taking it seriously, however if they are not locals, they will just move into adjoining counties, I don't think that you realise what you are up against though, and the huge amounts of money involved, the fines that you mention are paltry, they will have no impact. An aquaintance used to go with these coursers ( and I suspect that he still does), he tells me that mostly they come up from London, and a £10,000 bet on one course between two dogs and a hare is not unusual, he has seen one of them arrive in a new car and lose it on one run of a dog, he was offered £25,000 for his own dog, so fines and the loss of their motor is not the answer, although for local coursers I can see this working well. Now the loss of a driving licence, would that bother them? Not sure on that one, it would bother me and you, but me and you would not bet 10k or a new car on a dog. Out of curiousity, what is the charge, that means you can disqualify somebody from driving for running a dog? It's not a traffic offence is it? One thing that you and he do agree on; Do not confront them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 You're right, lots of them are not locals and they do go elsewhare, please appreciate I am only commenting on cambridgeshire, which has some of, if not the best coursing ground in the country imo. You're right that £10,000 bets and £25,000 vehicles have changed hands on the outcome of a course, and some will pay silly money for dogs, but not many. But to say we have not had an impact?? Come on throw me a bone here....97% reduction in 4 years... If we did not have an impact how do explain these numbers?B)........ Sept 2003 - 233 incidents Sept 2007 - 9 (nine) incidents Take the driving licence away for even 2 or 3 months and it hurts. We take vehicles from the roadside or even from the field. Now say you and three mates had driven for three hours from wherever for a days coursing with 3-6 dogs in the back, got caught and lost your vehicle there and then, with a long wait for a lift or even longer walk, me thinks you would be a little upset. Now add a helicopter that started filming from 3 miles away and is now hovering overhead, I'm taking your photograph and stating that if you cannot confirm where you live or who you are, you will be nicked :blink: The fines may be paltry in your opinion, but would you come back?? Its is an application on conviction that gets the driving ban, can't remember the wording of the top of me bonnet, its quite long winded. We have the finest of networks with the farmers, so within 5 minutes, everyone in the area is aware of whats going on. Sorry to rant but I'm passionate about what I do, and I am very lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) You're right, lots of them are not locals and they do go elsewhare, please appreciate I am only commenting on cambridgeshire, which has some of, if not the best coursing ground in the country imo. You're right that £10,000 bets and £25,000 vehicles have changed hands on the outcome of a course, and some will pay silly money for dogs, but not many. But to say we have not had an impact?? Come on throw me a bone here....97% reduction in 4 years... If we did not have an impact how do explain these numbers?B)........ Sept 2003 - 233 incidents Sept 2007 - 9 (nine) incidents Take the driving licence away for even 2 or 3 months and it hurts. We take vehicles from the roadside or even from the field. Now say you and three mates had driven for three hours from wherever for a days coursing with 3-6 dogs in the back, got caught and lost your vehicle there and then, with a long wait for a lift or even longer walk, me thinks you would be a little upset. Now add a helicopter that started filming from 3 miles away and is now hovering overhead, I'm taking your photograph and stating that if you cannot confirm where you live or who you are, you will be nicked :blink: The fines may be paltry in your opinion, but would you come back?? Its is an application on conviction that gets the driving ban, can't remember the wording of the top of me bonnet, its quite long winded. We have the finest of networks with the farmers, so within 5 minutes, everyone in the area is aware of whats going on. Sorry to rant but I'm passionate about what I do, and I am very lucky. Whoa trigger, I'm on your side of the fence. Read my post slowly before reaching for your gun, I did not say that you were not having an impact, I said that the paltry amount of the fines would have no impact. How is a £600 fine going to bother someone who will bet a £25,000 car on a dog? It's a pleasure to see that Cambs is taking this seriously, unfortunatly Essex, at least in my area are not. As I see it, your biggest problem is the M11, half an hour and they are home, with the wife swearing that they have been watching corry all night with her. We have had at least two instances where the coursers were videoing the dog runs, the police had these and still would not convict, because the farmer was afraid to press charges. Surely in a case like this, where they had supplied the evidence themselves (albeit unwillingly)the farmer should not have to? Edited March 12, 2008 by bob300w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Although poaching is poaching surely the number of coursers in September 2003 will be much larger because the Hunting Act was not in force yet? FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubix Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 As for losing the car, if it's like fishing - any equipment used while poaching can be confiscated - including vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Did'nt mean to go off on 1, sorry. Its not just the fines, but the whole experience. The video is for showing on a big screen at a later date. I remember (a long time ago) my parents betting on horse racing in the pub at butlins. Same thing MUCH bigger money :blink: We have had problems like witnesses not wanting to give statements through fear. I was with one of my witnesses on tuesday, and I went throught the whole process because he had the same fears. It took 3 hours. In the 4 years of the operation NO ONE has had a visit (Touch wood). The farming community and our team have such good links its unreal. my work phone goes at all times of the day and night, and every farmer that reports an incident gets a personal visit from one of the team. even if we don't catch them. I will attend court if my witness wants me there for support, and thats what its all about imo. Good faith and support. i will help my rural community as best i can, and in return the results speak for themselves. unfortunatly, as many things are, it mainly comes down to money in many parts of the country. Again sorry for going offf on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 We don't use the hunting act FM. Believe it or not, Game Act 1831. Section 30 if any one wants to google that :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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