gshowell1976 Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 (edited) Hi, My name is Graham Showell, I'm 32 and from Birmingham, England. Due to the high violent crime rate in this country, I feel something needs to be done to reduce crime and protect the many vulnerable people of our nation. It seems obvious now that the police can't protect us, so I feel that the UK public should now be allowed to protect themselves and their loved ones, along with being allowed access to the most effective tools for self defence. I'm asking the government to allow law-abiding citizens the means to defend ourselves by repealing the UK handgun ban and allowing us to once again carry concealed handguns, something that the British public were able to do until 1920. I've had support from all over the world, so no matter where you live, Please take the time to sign my petition, and pass it around if you can. Petition link is - http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/gshandguns/index.html Thanks folks !!!!! Edited August 3, 2008 by gshowell1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I think this must be the 2nd or 3rd one I've signed over the last few years, and I believe that there is absolutely no chance of it ever being repealed. But consider it signed and I wish you all the luck in the world, seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Not saying I don't agree with some of what you propose but someone mooting a point they'd like firearms for personal protection might cost someone their FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 i dont think there is any chance of carring a hand gun over here,not with this goverment or any other,if you wont two do that live in the usa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinbum71 Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Proposition to carry concealed firearms?! Hell! Even the Yanks won't allow that in most states! It's bad enough having your phone nicked by pickpockets, I don't fancy tooling them up. How about a length of wood with a nail thru it? Surely more of a deterrent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Scholl Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Proposition to carry concealed firearms?! Hell! Even the Yanks won't allow that in most states! It's bad enough having your phone nicked by pickpockets, I don't fancy tooling them up. How about a length of wood with a nail thru it? Surely more of a deterrent? Actually... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinbum71 Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 (edited) Proposition to carry concealed firearms?! Hell! Even the Yanks won't allow that in most states! It's bad enough having your phone nicked by pickpockets, I don't fancy tooling them up. How about a length of wood with a nail thru it? Surely more of a deterrent? Actually... Fair enough. I expect that's why they have such an admirably low gun crime rate. Never underestimate the stupidity of Americans. Remember what the National Rifle Association says. "Guns don't kill people, Americans do!" Edited August 3, 2008 by tinbum71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Proposition to carry concealed firearms?! Hell! Even the Yanks won't allow that in most states! It's bad enough having your phone nicked by pickpockets, I don't fancy tooling them up. How about a length of wood with a nail thru it? Surely more of a deterrent? actually you can concealed carry in all of the 50 states with a permit. The difficulty of getting a permit varies in each state from NJ (forget it) to PA, FL, or a bunch of other gun friendlies that are 'shall issue'. For the most part, with your resident permit from your home state plus 2-3 other non resident permits you can carry in 3/4 of the states. thanks rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Scholl Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Proposition to carry concealed firearms?! Hell! Even the Yanks won't allow that in most states! It's bad enough having your phone nicked by pickpockets, I don't fancy tooling them up. How about a length of wood with a nail thru it? Surely more of a deterrent? Actually... Fair enough. I expect that's why they have such an admirably low gun crime rate. Never underestimate the stupidity of Americans. Remember what the National Rifle Association says. "Guns don't kill people, Americans do!" Excuse me? You do realize that permit holders are the most law abiding group in the country right? Even more so than cops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 **** that, sorry but while i have no issue with pistols etc for sporting purposes i don't think concealed sidearms are the way to go. "Just on the way to Fiveways darlin', right got my wallet, handgun, now where did i leave my car keys?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I think that you need to be careful on this one boys . I will support a petition to reistate sporting pistol shooting ,but to try to get the government to allow concealed carry ,thats going a bit to far in my mind .Lets get the target shooting back and then see how it goes . As i remember when the hand guns were banned there was a group who were going around with some quite radical ideas about hand gun ownership and ways to have the law repealed . Sensible shooters stayed away from them . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Yeah, right. We have to prove that a pigeon is damaging crops and we have tried all other non-fatal methods to remove them, before we can shoot them, but whoever started this petition believes that everyone will be able to buy a handgun and shoot suspected muggers? It will never happen in this country, and rightly so, guns have not been permitted for personal protection since around the end of WW2, hand guns are banned for the majority of people in the UK, and a few signatures will change this? Is the poster of this not even aware of the lengths that have been gone to, just to try and get handguns back for target shooting? It would be illegal in the UK to even carry a knife for personal protection, and somebody believe that we should be allowed to carry guns? This petition is dead in the water, for many reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Scholl Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 **** that, sorry but while i have no issue with pistols etc for sporting purposes i don't think concealed sidearms are the way to go. "Just on the way to Fiveways darlin', right got my wallet, handgun, now where did i leave my car keys?". Enjoy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_conc...apon#Statistics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I didn't explain why i am against the idea. For a start, i'm 5'11" and 12 stone if i haven't had a poo. Now if i'm not big enough to handle myself without a gun then i'm not big enough to stop someone taking it off me. If i was big enough then i wouldn't need the gun in the first place. The same reason i don't have a bat handy. In the case of home protection? Get a big ******* dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I refuse. Carrying firearms for protection, just does not sit well with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeG Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I refuse. Carrying firearms for protection, just does not sit well with me. +1 to that. Carrying firearms purely for self defence is a slippery dangerous slope. I'm all for the return of practical pistol but I cannot support this sorry.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I will not sign either. If it were taget purposes then fine, but realistically wanting the legalising of handguns for personal protection is slightly worrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 These petitions are as hilarious as they are meaningless How about the petitions for: 1. free beer on Fridays 2. petrol down to 2p a gallon 3. free Aston Martins for anyone from Essex 4. mandatory star jumps for 18-35 years olds with a cup size of D or greater All very compelling in their own ways, all completely unrealistic. I weep for the 1p electricity used accessing the petition website to read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 4. mandatory star jumps for 18-35 years olds with a cup size of D or greater We live in hope, we live in hope ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 These petitions are as hilarious as they are meaningless How about the petitions for: 1. free beer on Fridays 2. petrol down to 2p a gallon 3. free Aston Martins for anyone from Essex 4. mandatory star jumps for 18-35 years olds with a cup size of D or greater All very compelling in their own ways, all completely unrealistic. I weep for the 1p electricity used accessing the petition website to read it. Can you post a link to 4? I can't find the petition. 1,2, and 3 are just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Oh i kind of got quite excited by the idea of number 1 to be honest. Does that make me George Best but with some else's feet and cock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Scholl Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I didn't explain why i am against the idea. For a start, i'm 5'11" and 12 stone if i haven't had a poo. Now if i'm not big enough to handle myself without a gun then i'm not big enough to stop someone taking it off me. If i was big enough then i wouldn't need the gun in the first place. The same reason i don't have a bat handy. In the case of home protection? Get a big ******* dog. That's the whole point of concealed carry. People don't know you have it. Plus there are holsters out there that make it impossible for someone other than you to gain access to your gun. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm just saying that CCW hasn't caused any problems in this country. I don't think it's affected the crime rate either way, but it's gone pretty well when you look at how law abiding permit holders are compared to the rest of the population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I didn't explain why i am against the idea. For a start, i'm 5'11" and 12 stone if i haven't had a poo. Now if i'm not big enough to handle myself without a gun then i'm not big enough to stop someone taking it off me. If i was big enough then i wouldn't need the gun in the first place. The same reason i don't have a bat handy. In the case of home protection? Get a big ******* dog. That's the whole point of concealed carry. People don't know you have it. Plus there are holsters out there that make it impossible for someone other than you to gain access to your gun. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm just saying that CCW hasn't caused any problems in this country. I don't think it's affected the crime rate either way, but it's gone pretty well when you look at how law abiding permit holders are compared to the rest of the population. But my point is when someone is close enough to cause me to draw that gun they are close enough to take it off me. And the fact that it's concealed as you say means they don't know i have it so it's not a deterrent in that respect either. I'm sure it hasn't added to the crime rate, on that we agree, in the same way a legally held Shotgun/Firearm won't cause a problem in the UK, but with self defence in mind i think that for the very people that think they are safer using a weapon in this manner it could actually work against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staglioni Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I think you should be allowed to keep some thing under your pillow then lock it up through the day stag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilv Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I'm glad to see that this lunatic suggestion has been met with subdued derision. The majority of people are sane and cautious, but a substantial minority lack control under provocation and over react. This can be bad enough when we're talking fists and boots, add a .44 to the mix and we have tragedy. The availability of pistols in the USA has led in a pretty fine country to a vast number of needless deaths. The idea everyone talks about seems noble - protecting yourself from insane home intruders, out to rape your wife and daughter or slaughter the family. In practice, there are guns everywhere and often in the hands of half crazed and ill-disciplined individuals. Result? at least five times the average European homicide rate. An American on average is five times as likely to be killed by another individual as the average Englishman. The person who started this thread is a very misguided person.... I'm trying to be polite here. If you have a good reason to own a sporting firearm here in the Uk it is easy to get one. The issuing of guns to allow you to shoot yourself out of trouble will never happen here. Just look how great it is where everyone can have a Klashnikov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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