InGen Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 (edited) I went shooting a few days ago at my local club and i had a look in the cartridge binds by each stand and i had a look though them (for empty shells to add to my collection) and i was surprised to find many live cartages in the boxes. My guess if they have just tiped the box into the pocket and 1 or to have got stuck. but i was surprised just how many there were. I shot a few of them off i found it a great way to try out different brands of cartridges for free:) Just wondered if anyone checks there boxes before they just chuck them into the bins. EDIT i know i have spelt cartridges wrong in the header i have just realised. Edited October 27, 2008 by InGen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Erm are you a Borrower or a bloke called Rico who once ran a show called the Salvager on Discovery? If not, then stop going through bins and go mad and buy some carts. You will find that they are between £2.50 and £4 for a box of 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InGen Posted October 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 ?? i did buy my carts 4 boxes but once i had shot them off. And was having a look for emptys i had not got. In all I found about 30 cartridges in which there was 3 different loads in 4 different brands and a total of 8 different types. Just seemed a wast. plus at my club the cheapest carts are about £5 a box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzeneye Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 be VERY carefull doing this...... i went and dusted some clays at the weekend... i was around 50 carts short so i bought two boxes of the house carts...a brand id never used before, but still.... the first two worked a treat, the third cart misfired...... i pulled the trigger and ....click......., confused and not thinking, i opened the action... when i saw the primer had been struck,i very quickly,but gently, closed the action again and waited a few minutes as smoke gently oozed out the end of my barrel........ now, i safely disguarded this cart with a primer which had half gone off, but others may not be so dilagent and simply throw them in the bin..... this is not the kind of cart id even like to pick up, never mind rumage round the bin the put in my gun and fire it !!!! be carefull, they may be in the bin for a reason..... (although they should never go in the bin,mind you....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InGen Posted October 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 yes that did cross my mind i check the primers each time i load my gun. but most were in the corners of boxes probably were someone has held it to tight when putting them in there pocket. I think i may have done it once or twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taz24 Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 be VERY carefull doing this......i went and dusted some clays at the weekend... i was around 50 carts short so i bought two boxes of the house carts...a brand id never used before, but still.... the first two worked a treat, the third cart misfired...... i pulled the trigger and ....click......., confused and not thinking, i opened the action... when i saw the primer had been struck,i very quickly,but gently, closed the action again and waited a few minutes as smoke gently oozed out the end of my barrel........ now, i safely disguarded this cart with a primer which had half gone off, but others may not be so dilagent and simply throw them in the bin..... this is not the kind of cart id even like to pick up, never mind rumage round the bin the put in my gun and fire it !!!! be carefull, they may be in the bin for a reason..... (although they should never go in the bin,mind you....) He did acctualy say he was looking for empties and found unused carts still in the bottom of the new boxes. As they are pouring the carts into their bags they are holding the odd cart still in the box and then throwing the box away. I always check my boxes and I crush them down because the bin soon fills up with empty boxes, especialy the ones on the first stands. taz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzeneye Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 yeah i know, just a word of warning though..thats all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchester Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Thats one way of easeing the cost good luck to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 The question has got to be asked from a safety point, but how much damage is done by a 12g cart in a fire ? The reason I ask is some grounds seem to throw the cart bins into a incinorator and burn the plastic of and take the metal heads to the scrappy ! People dropping unused carts into bins is surely very very dangerous ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamHall Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 i always check the box is empty before throwing it in the bit , there exspensive enough as they are so i dont want to be throwing them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) I went shooting a few days ago at my local club and i had a look in the cartridge binds by each stand and i had a look though them (for empty shells to add to my collection) and i was surprised to find many live cartages in the boxes. My guess if they have just tiped the box into the pocket and 1 or to have got stuck. but i was surprised just how many there were. I shot a few of them off i found it a great way to try out different brands of cartridges for free:) Just wondered if anyone checks there boxes before they just chuck them into the bins. EDIT i know i have spelt cartridges wrong in the header i have just realised. Be very very careful about picking up cartridges left in bins..... could always be a genuine reason for this.... Could be booby trap reloads with just confetti inside them. I'm with Mungler..... Get some money spent, but at the end of the day we must make allowances for people from Norfolk. Edited October 30, 2008 by starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickP Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Just searched this as i a wait for my licence and been a newbie I was wondering if I ever did have a misfire, what to do? Is there a place at The shooting ground to dispose of carts that won't fire? I don't like the sound of putting it into a bin, not because of some chap searching through, (I would never have thought people collect spent carts :lol ) just because what would happen if it went off whilst in there and the injury it could cause to the person stood there Any advice welcomed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Just searched this as i a wait for my licence and been a newbie I was wondering if I ever did have a misfire, what to do? Is there a place at The shooting ground to dispose of carts that won't fire? I don't like the sound of putting it into a bin, not because of some chap searching through, (I would never have thought people collect spent carts :lol ) just because what would happen if it went off whilst in there and the injury it could cause to the person stood there Any advice welcomed Yes-its called the bin.In the unlikely event a duff cartride goes off in the bin it wont have any velocity so just goes pop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 When we use to shoot pistol at Warcop (MOD training camp) it wasn't rare to find full clips of .223 and loose rounds of 9mm ammo.It all got used!Couldn't reload the 9millis though as they were berdan primed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 I was wondering if I ever did have a misfire, what to do? You are supposed to keep the gun closed, pointing in a safe direction for 30 seconds, then unload the gun, keeping the breech facing away from you. I only ever had one misfire so far, on Beaters' day this January. Whilst waiting the 30 secs, most of the birds for that drive went over me, and that was the best of the day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Piebob Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 the third cart misfired...... i pulled the trigger and ....click......., confused and not thinking, i opened the action... when i saw the primer had been struck,i very quickly,but gently, closed the action again Didn't you therefore go from a reasonably safe situation, back into a dangerous one? Once closed, if the cartridge doesn't go off, you then have to open it again to get it safe(i.e. the situation you've just been in) and get through that potentially dangerous moment just as you open/close the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 You are supposed to keep the gun closed, pointing in a safe direction for 30 seconds, then unload the gun, keeping the breech facing away from you. I only ever had one misfire so far, on Beaters' day this January. Whilst waiting the 30 secs, most of the birds for that drive went over me, and that was the best of the day... You should realise that many people disagree with this. Why 30seconds? Why not 10, 20, 60, 120? Some people say get the gun open ASAP and breach pointing away. If the cartidge goes off at worst you could lose an eye, but you won't lose a life or a limb. Not so if the gun is closed and muzzles not safe, and if the cartridge doesn't go off (most don't) you still have to open the gun anyway. I'm not saying either way is right, just that I've heard compelling arguments both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 You can burn cartridges on bonfires with relative safety. However, I wouldn't try it with a bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 I think the wait is in case of a slow burn or delayed primer, never seen a miss fire go off but it can be that a cart that wont fire in one gun will in another. Just keep muzzles pointed safe and don't have your face or body behind the breach when you open (and no else's either....) I have known some people to bury them (normally on a game shoot otherwise they lie around or back in pocket/bag!) Cut them open and bin them, just bin them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agjm Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 You should realise that many people disagree with this. Why 30seconds? Why not 10, 20, 60, 120? I didn't used to believe in the whole 30 second wait but a couple of weeks ago I was with a relatively new shooter who had a misfire, brought the gun out of her shoulder and a few seconds later the cartridge went off and she only just kept hold of it. I now think holding on to the gun firmly for a few seconds (maybe not exactly 30 but it seems like a reasonable guide) then open the gun with the muzzles and chamber both pointing in a safe direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 The question has got to be asked from a safety point, but how much damage is done by a 12g cart in a fire ? The reason I ask is some grounds seem to throw the cart bins into a incinorator and burn the plastic of and take the metal heads to the scrappy ! People dropping unused carts into bins is surely very very dangerous ? nope i burn all the empty shells from the guns off the estate and their is often a miss-fired cart in their, it just lets out a little poop and thats it. no maiming death or pain. all that happens it the plactick melts thrue and burns the powder slowly the primer gives the pop but because their is no barrle to channle the energy "up the spout" its safe ive seen one go on a coal fire in a house before now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickP Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Thank for the responses, sound like it's not a set rule but to wait holding gun in shoulder for 30+ seconds to give time to slow burn, then it can be safely removed keeping it pointing safe and place it in the bin I'm sure I'll have a few more questions to be answered whilst learning and most likely even after that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I always wondered if they were safer out of the barrel than in as if you look at the classification on the boxes, they are marked not explosive in bulk which means as has been said before, they need to be in a confined space, ie, a barrel to cause harm. They do not go bang like a bullet would out of a barrel apart from the primer of course. That being said...should it go pop just as you break the barrels then I would imagine it could get very nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Reminds me of being at Bisley one summer's afternoon.. I found a very old and tired yet live RG 5.56mm round in the shingle... The crackpot next to me, Said "I'll have that!" and sent it downrange from his steyr .223 Edited March 4, 2011 by garyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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