golden_cocker Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Although ive now stopped shooting i use to shoot alot. Mainly at Rishton shooting ground. I was always amazed with the amount of people who never picked there cartirdges up after ejecting them. Is this common or am i just too fussy? surely it costs nothing to be tidy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Pet hate of mine too, especially when there are big bins there for them. Some poor ****** has to do it all when those lazy **** have all gone home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golden_cocker Posted December 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Thats what i think. When i see them lay there gun case across the bin and then eject there carts on the floor!. Many an argument has been caused by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Those that eject all over the place usually have never been taught how to correctly open a shotgun. Not only are they showing bad form on the shoot ground, but they are also prematurely wearing the action in their gun as well. If you hold the gun on a "side" angle on your hip, barrels pointing below horizontal, grip the stock between you elbow and hip, while gripping the pistol grip in the normal way, push over the top lever and start to pull the fore-end down, you will find the elbow grip is now enough and you can release the grip hand to cover the chambers and easily eject the carts into you palm. This is especially good way of opening ( and closing is the reverse) a stiff gun. Because there is a strong grip on the gun, and you are using the leverage of a long falcrum ( elbow to for-end) leverage is much better than just pistol grip and for-end. This means that when the gun opens you can control the barrells movement and arrest them after the ejectors have worked, but before the action snaps hard on the hinge lugs. If you snap open your gun, you are placing unnecessary pressure and wear on the hinge parts of the gun, and it will be loose and in for action tightening, or reduced in re-sale value, sooner than the gun opened with sympathy for the mechanism. Cartridges caught in the hand should be binned, pocketed, or left in a single neat pile for collection later. Good etiquette on a shoot ground usually denotes a safe shooter. Watching how a shooter opens and closes their gun, takes it in / out of a sleeve or rack, will tell you an awful lot about their attitude to shooting and other shooters, and how safe or otherwise they are. Cases on the ground are a safety issue in their own right. They can roll out under a heel, causing a slip or a trip. Also, many like to moan about rising costs, and scattered cases take time and money to clean-up. So if you want your ground's charges kept as low as possible, help the owners by clearing your shells as you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 i use a semi and a pump and always pick up my cartridges, people that dont really annoys me :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Too right. I was at Soufdown the other month and there was some right arrogant toff who though it was below him to pick up his carts and someone on a lower salary should do it. Also had an ar$e bandit of a son who he'd taught how to incorrectly handle his gun. Can't stand that attitude. Saw a more normal bloke with a SA who let em fly all over the place which is more understandable - but he still neglected to pick them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peely Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Must admit that if I'm on a stand or area where there are empties on the floor, I always feel embarrassed in case the next person there thinks they are all mine. In the end I usually end up picking empties up that were there previously... Bad etiqutte not to bin them I think :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.C. Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 As a semi-auto user I do not have much control over my spent shells . I do hower use a magnet on the end of a walking stick to pick up my ejected cases . I , like many others , think it is untidy and bad manners to leave your spent shells on the ground . I dispair at the o\u users who just let them fly out of the gun to land on the floor or bounce off other shooters standing nearby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I like to think that incorporated within the cost of my round of clays is the wages of the cartridge picker upper wallah / bod. If everyone picked up their cartridges that man would be without work. He would go on the dole thereby burdening the state and putting all our taxes up, his missus might have to go on the game and his kids would have to go up the chimneys. The heartless people that pick up their cartridges should think of the people who are gainfully employed to pick them up. Next time you pick your cartridges up, be more thoughtful and leave them on the floor. Indeed, you should think about scattering them and placing them in prominent but hard to reach places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I like to think that incorporated within the cost of my round of clays is the wages of the cartridge picker upper wallah / bod. If everyone picked up their cartridges that man would be without work. He would go on the dole thereby burdening the state and putting all our taxes up, his missus might have to go on the game and his kids would have to go up the chimneys. The heartless people that pick up their cartridges should think of the people who are gainfully employed to pick them up. Next time you pick your cartridges up, be more thoughtful and leave them on the floor. Indeed, you should think about scattering them and placing them in prominent but hard to reach places. Indeed Mungler... I'll be sure to collect mine, dump them in your garden, then you can have the satisfaction of employing someone to tidy them up for you. Clear your conscience a bit knowing you're helping someone in need... (or were you being sarcastic? Hard to tell with you ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windknot Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Coming soon to a clay shoot near you: MUNGSA Waste Management Services! (Actually just a pair of spaniels adorned with magnets, but it sounds better with all the big words) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosspot Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 The one that always gets my goat is the wildly flailing gun trying to eject directly into the bin downwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Indeed Mungler... I'll be sure to collect mine, dump them in your garden, then you can have the satisfaction of employing someone to tidy them up for you. Clear your conscience a bit knowing you're helping someone in need... (or were you being sarcastic? Hard to tell with you ) If you are collecting your cartridges for onward dumping into my garden, then you are still picking up and thus the scenario I outlined will come into play. I can't believe that you could be so heartless at this time of the year so as to see the lowly cartridge collector out of work for Christmas. For shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 The one that always gets my goat is the wildly flailing gun trying to eject directly into the bin downwards Oh I just love these posers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 gets my goat too, people who just eject them behind them instead if bining them, if im waiting at a stand and some one leaves them on the floor i always wait till they have taken a couple of steps away from the cage then i shout, mate, ill pick your emptys up shall i, half the time it shames them into picking them up, as after all were supposed to be a friendly bunch, if they ignore me or turn there back on me i just call them ignorant *****, lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I get paid to pick them up! Easy job with a magnet stick, a bin, and a gator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I get paid to pick them up! Easy job with a magnet stick, a bin, and a gator. Seriously? Get in there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Seriously? Get in there! Amongst other thigns of course. Plenty of boxes of clays to shift around, and hand traps dont cock themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 ........... Clayman, As usual and very informative post but given the topic a rather geekie approach to a simple probelm. I have NEVER been shown how to open my gun properly. Where as i admire your 5,000,000 word theseus it's very simple, open gun, carts fly into hand, using hand-eye co-ordination gained whilst being a 2 years old drop carts into bin. So to summerise, unless your a total spaka, put you carts in the ******* bin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caeser Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 NO EXCUSES, cartridges , in the bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Pick em up i say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Come on, you got to admit it's fun seeing how far they fly over your shoulder, or seeing if you can hit the person stood behind you on the nose I'm after some proper powerful ejector springs, some real illegal jobbies that'll propel my empty cases into another stand to wind everyone up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Come on, you got to admit it's fun seeing how far they fly over your shoulder, or seeing if you can hit the person stood behind you on the nose I'm after some proper powerful ejector springs, some real illegal jobbies that'll propel my empty cases into another stand to wind everyone up my old aya single would propel an unfired cartridge 20 feet behind me when broke open; even chucked empty cartridges out a good distance, caught a few of my mates in the face til they learnt how to open it right.... :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 The blokes i go with know not to stand on my right side otherwise they get hit by ejected cartridges.Im quite impressed with the distance they can travel when unhindered by peoples faces... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Clayman, As usual and very informative post but given the topic a rather geekie approach to a simple problem. I have NEVER been shown how to open my gun properly. Yea, I'm afraid I am a very bias geek on issues like this. Ten years of running the South East Region safety courses, then 5 years defining the method statements for all the CPSA Competency / Safety and Coaching courses for all things like in/out of a rack / open/close gun , in/out of slip etc has made me un-ashamedly geekie on these things. Often there are several acceptable ways, but we all have an opinion about what is the best (did I say proper?) way of doing things. Still, no harm in sounding off it educates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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