blaserman Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 hi all, looking for some help realy, i want a fac shotgun as i do alot of foxdrives, ferreting and rough shooting, and sometimes 2 or 3 shots are not enough!!! i have spoke to north wales police and he said in not so many words that i aint got a chance as the firearms manager hates them, i am worried that i am going to have a legal battle to get one!!! there are alot of members who have one for sale or talk about using them, but non in north wales, i am only 22 and have had a fac and sgc for about 4 years and feel a bit intimidated about applying for one with what i have been told by the FLO any ponters or help would be greatly welcome thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 This is the problem with British firearms licencing. You are at the mercy of the local firearms team and their opinions. Where my friend lives in Wales the Police are so laid back its great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie 1 Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 If you want an fac shotgun then go for it. i am going in for the same process soon, i was also told ( by my fao) that it would be unlikely for me to get a section 1 which will hold 10 carts in my gun. however i will be applying for just that and if i don't get it i will be asking why not and then taking it up with basc if they have little reason. your fao has no right to say whether or not you can have something based on whether or not he likes the gun etc. i'm pretty sure that basc will help you through it if they deny you the right with no sensible reason behind it. atb charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Get your permission to write that he has a serious avian pest and mammal pest problem and needs a pest controller who has a large capacity shotgun to efficiently complete their duty. There's your good reason and I doubt they can knock that back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 is it really worth it, they sound good on paper but in reality not that good and take ages to re-load plus you have the issue that they are then on your FAC ticket with conditions attached. I find out rabbiting that I can actually rattle off more shots with an over and under than the semi due to being faster to re-load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I agree, al4x. I sold my FAC shotgun last month. The muzzle-heavy balance was off-putting, it was (as you say) very slow and noisy to reload, and it tempted me to blaze through huge amounts of cartridges. I've reverted to using one O/U on a daily basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I've had simular experiances, you'll be surpised how heavy a 10 shot can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaserman Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 thanks for all the advice guys taken on board thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_henson Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Got me a 12shot remmy no probs down here in kent - and it states i can use it for clay shooting Now to find me a clay ground that will let me have a play :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 you guys know that you don't have top empty all the rounds before you reload, right? If you shoot 3 shots and have a second for a break, toss 3 more in. If you don't have a break then keep shooting until you do. And when you need to shoot fast you don't have to load all 10 before you keep shooting. Just throw one into the chamber and pull the trigger. Keith, Just a quick note for you. Your 'toy list' should read FSS savage, not FVSS. The V is for varmint barrel. How's the gun treating you? Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_henson Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 you guys know that you don't have top empty all the rounds before you reload, right? If you shoot 3 shots and have a second for a break, toss 3 more in. If you don't have a break then keep shooting until you do. And when you need to shoot fast you don't have to load all 10 before you keep shooting. Just throw one into the chamber and pull the trigger. Keith, Just a quick note for you. Your 'toy list' should read FSS savage, not FVSS. The V is for varmint barrel. How's the gun treating you? Thanks, Rick Its treating me rather well 17 foxes last year from september till december, and then another 4 last night Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 all with the v-max bullet? What ranges? Any runners? Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I would like to obtain an FAC in the future exactly for this matter. I am not so much interested in getting rifles as in doing clay shooting with multi cartridge shotguns as well as some of those events that let you do multiple target shooting, where you move through a course to shoot as many targets in the fastest time and most accurately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Presumably if you have an FAC shotgun, and you don't have an open ticket, any land you intend to shoot it on will need to be cleared in the normal way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I would like to obtain an FAC in the future exactly for this matter. I am not so much interested in getting rifles as in doing clay shooting with multi cartridge shotguns as well as some of those events that let you do multiple target shooting, where you move through a course to shoot as many targets in the fastest time and most accurately. You mean practical shotgunning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Presumably if you have an FAC shotgun, and you don't have an open ticket, any land you intend to shoot it on will need to be cleared in the normal way? Stuart All the fac's Ive seen, mine included list the fac shotgun separately. ie they are not included in the lineup with the rifles. Because of this it is easy to word it with an open condition. It is not normal policy to issue a closed condition for a Section 1 shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) Got me a 12shot remmy no probs down here in kent - and it states i can use it for clay shooting Now to find me a clay ground that will let me have a play Its standard to have clay shooting as an allowed use on any grant of a sec 1 shottie. There is no reason why the gun may not be used at a clay ground, as it is in essence no different from a 3 shot - the clay competition regulations are that you can only load two, regardless of the guns capacity, be it 3 shot or 10 shot makes no difference The concern is simply that the shooter may loose count of the number in the gun, so load two for two clays or full use of the gun, empty it between stations or stands if only one was used, and load just two again for the next target/s. ISSF rules require a max of two only ( ie a 2-shot not a 3-shot semi), but CPSA rules allow FAC guns, pumps and semi's. Grounds may of course adopt local rules and decide not to allow an FAC, but that is just their commercial decision to make a restriction a condition of entry, there is nothing in law or regulations beyond the two loaded rule in CPSA reg comp. to stop their use. Edited February 13, 2009 by clayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 "You mean practical shotgunning? " Yes, sorry I didn't know the proper name for it. I am in the process of applying for membership for such a club, in this club I am applying it says you can use section 2 shotguns but you will be at a disadvantage. Canb most of these clubs allow you to use multi mag shotguns even though you haven't got a firearms certificate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaserman Posted February 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 well lads thanks for all your help, im going to go for it, veration going in tomorow ..........will keep you posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 (edited) "You mean practical shotgunning? " Yes, sorry I didn't know the proper name for it. I am in the process of applying for membership for such a club, in this club I am applying it says you can use section 2 shotguns but you will be at a disadvantage. Canb most of these clubs allow you to use multi mag shotguns even though you haven't got a firearms certificate? Koz Im affraid your not allowed to borrow an FAC shotgun, long barelled revolvers are the same, its another quirk of our firearms law. I do a lot of practical shotgun, anyone who says they can load an O/U faster is using the wrong tecnique with the auto or pump, loading four at a time is the way to speed up your loading times, as used in the following clip. N Edited February 25, 2009 by neil smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 (edited) But can I use one on a range there? Like when people are applying for a Firearms Licence and do their probation at a target shooting club they surely shoot RIFLES, otherwise hwo would they evern learn. I have no use to BORROW a FAC shotgun, all I wanted to know is if I can USE one that the club probably has on THEIR land. After all I won't likely get a grant for an FAC if I am not a member of a club and since I want to do Practicel Shotgun I would have to have at least some experience firing a multi mag shotgun otherwise how will I ever learn, a bit like Catch-22. Edited February 25, 2009 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 But can I use one on a range there? Like when people are applying for a Firearms Licence and do their probation at a target shooting club they surely shoot RIFLES, otherwise hwo would they evern learn. I have no use to BORROW a FAC shotgun, all I wanted to know is if I can USE one that the club probably has on THEIR land. After all I won't likely get a grant for an FAC if I am not a member of a club and since I want to do Practicel Shotgun I would have to have at least some experience firing a multi mag shotgun otherwise how will I ever learn, a bit like Catch-22. koz No you are not allowed to use a S1 shotgun even if the owner is there with you at a club, rifles are classed completly different in law, finding a club that has a S1 shotgun in its armoury is difficult & a very very grey area of firearms law. You dont need a high capacity gun to learn practical shotgun, the only difference is you will be loading a lot more which will only slow you down, the guns & principles used are the same, one of the clubs im a member of allow you to use a S2 gun at there practice days, you can learn the game using your own S2 gun, they also run UKPSA courses if you wish to take up the sport seriously, simply join a club like that & then apply for your S1 variation & enjoy yourself. If you need help finding a club let me know where you are & I will see if I can help. N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I am in Kent so my nearest club is in Harlow I believe. I never realised laws were that strict on Practical Shotgun, wow! However I want to give it some time with my normal SGC licence since I probably won't get a variation if I apply for it straight away without having ever shot at a practical club or got any training in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I am in Kent so my nearest club is in Harlow I believe. I never realised laws were that strict on Practical Shotgun, wow! However I want to give it some time with my normal SGC licence since I probably won't get a variation if I apply for it straight away without having ever shot at a practical club or got any training in it. Its always a good idea to join a club & have a go with a section 2 first, find out a bit about the sport & what goes on & you are in a better position to apply for your variation, if you join harlow I would think you would have no problems at all getting your S1 shotgun. Harlow is a good club & holds some national level matches, all the people there are helpfull, I will PM you a contact there who can help you get started. Good luck N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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