LEFTY478 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Interestingly, the Electoral Calculus shows that currently, the Tory's lead would produce an all English result giving Labour appx 3 seats in ten. Results reproduced below Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 the problem comes if The sun starts telling the morons to vote labour they'll just go out and do it like last time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) the problem comes if The sun starts telling the morons to vote labour they'll just go out and do it like last time I confidently predict that the Nations favorite will not be pinning its colours to the Labour mast this time. Edited March 3, 2009 by LEFTY478 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 this really gets my goat, if they want independance then they should be independant. Not as it seems independant but still being subsidised by the rest of us. Council tax is massively subsidised by the rest of us, all we've gained is another load of politicians to pay for and another level of paper pushing and thats before I even start on the cost of the Scottish assembly building. That guy Hadrian had the right idea Hadrian was a sap. You sound like you should be voting for Independance. But here's the truth about the controversial Barnett formula http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/displ...1804171.0.0.php London leeches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Can't stand our local Labour MP, so I will be voting Conservative to get shut of the cretin (hopefully) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 yep I'll bow to that article must be the financial success of The Royal Bank Of Scotland as said helping it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 What i like most about any general election is when politicians lose their seat .The dour looks on their faces when they are ousted off the gravey train . I love it . We should see plenty of that in the next general election . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Its a two horse race and imho its just swapping one bunch of sleazy (gun banning) pr!cks for another. Its been so long since the tories have been in power they probably will behave themselves for the first term but any longer than that and they'll revert to their old ways and we'll be no better off than we are now. Unfortunately because of where i live theres only ever Labour, Cons' or Liberal <spit> Democrats to vote for and Labour ALWAYS get the voted in here because of the history of t'pits. Mind with the way Labour has changed in the last decade the Conservatives have the best chance they've ever had of getting in here. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Is there a PW Team standing, as i think i will give them my vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 What i like most about any general election is when politicians lose their seat .The dour looks on their faces when they are ousted off the gravey train . I love it . We should see plenty of that in the next general election . Harnser . If schadenfeude is your bag, then you're in for a fun post election night next year. At current levels of voter disgust*, expect to see 112 Lab & 42 Lib MPs headed to the Dole Office. *I actually expect to see this number increased, dramatically, by the time the next election is held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Khmer Rouge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Fed up with all of them. So BNP for a wake up call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-peter Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 maggie did us all a big favour. WHEN SHE LEFT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I've always been supportive of Conservative but feel that voting that way again is like ****1ng into a headwind and hoping it will change direction. What we need is to take UK by the scruff and shake out all the embedded dandruff of so-so parties and torch it. BNP don't have much chance of looking out for us - but I feel so many will not vote for them for that very reason. Deep down many of us subconciously vote for who we think has the best or at least a fair chance. Time to let all the others see we have had enough of slippery slopes and do something about the landslide. Time for a protest because the others will do mostly the same hand wringing. BNP this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA1Gunner Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 The way I look at it is this, liebour and the tories, have both had their chance, they clearly don't care about the indigenous population in Britain, liebour have run this country into the ground and will go down in history as the worst political party ever to govern Britain, all of you do yourself a favour and read up on " COMMON PURPOSE " if this gets off the floor, it will be disasterous for The UK. izlam is a big threat to everyone in the Europe, now you can turn a blind eye for so long but one day soon, we are all going to have to come to terms with izlam in the UK, when the moderate moslems start getting into places of power, they will then be taken over by radical izlam, then this is where the fun will start, mark these words. I don't vote for the prettiest face or the guy with the nicest tie, I vote for a party who will look after the needs of my family, myself and my fellow Britains. Here are the reasons why I am voting for The BNP, is there anything in these policies that any of you disagree with, if so I would like to read what your thoughts are. IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH! On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries. EUROPE - back to British independence! We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home. LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime! The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed. ECONOMY - British workers first! Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement! We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain. AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity! We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britain’s farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nation’s need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the restoration of Britain’s once great fishing industry with the reimposition of the former exclusion zones around our coast. HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all! We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets. TRANSPORT - time to invest! Increased investment is needed in Britain’s public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels. ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future! Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess†must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and ensure that developments take place on a more human scale. FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people! We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain. PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers! The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care. NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism! Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism - from whatever side - once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles. DEFENCE - no more cuts! Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake - a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service. FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain’s interests first! Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country. DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide! The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct ‘elite’ which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level. Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 They are all the same!Promise this,promise that,what do get -NOTHING!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Always voted labour but now its time to kick these clowns out & give the Conservatives a bash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Always voted labour but now its time to kick these clowns out & give the Conservatives a bash I think these will be the same if they get in next time though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I really can not condone the BNP one bit. I am all in favour of a Nationalist Party, but the BNP is just plain racist. Of course they say there are not, but there is a video on nick griffins face book saying Africa has bad health problems because we have stolen ethnic doctors, so we should send those doctors back to Africa. So they are either racist and hiding it very unsubtly or just plain stupid. I feel there is a definite Muslim threat, apparently because i don't want Muslims to have their own separate law i am a racist?! But voting BNP although eliminating that threat, will also cause discrimination against good hard working people who happen to be of a different race. There are racial undertones to so many things on the BNP website, and i would like a nationalist party that wants this country to be the best, to excel and make it's inhabitants as happy as possible, not one that is caught up in race issues. I do think that Britain is a bit of a mess, especially when it comes to illegal immigration, but the BNP i do not feel is the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA1Gunner Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Read this, it's completely racist, why not create jobs for everyone and not just the Ethnic minorities and people will still vote for idiots like these, DON'T TELL ME THE BNP ARE RACISTS. It will be led by the All Wales Ethnic Minority Association (AWEMA) it's 4 million pound scheme to help people from Black, Minority and Ethnic communities into work, what's wrong with looking after your own first. One day people will realise all along, I have brought this upon myself. ================================================================================ ========== The scheme has been funded with over £2million of Convergence European Social Fund, which has been matched by the Welsh Assembly Government. It will be led by the All Wales Ethnic Minority Association (AWEMA) and will provide work and skills opportunities for over 1,000 people across West Wales and the Valleys area. It will also help people furthest from the labour market, particularly women, to gain new qualifications and enter further education. Tailored to the needs of each individual, the scheme will tackle the specific barriers that prevent people from these communities from progressing in their careers. It will offer a package of support including outreach training in a range of settings, help with applying for jobs, support in accessing Jobcentre Plus services and suitable childcare provision. In addition, there will be measures to boost self-esteem to give individuals the confidence they need to develop their skills. Announcing the funding in Swansea, Dr Gibbons said: This scheme is an excellent example of what can be achieved when the Welsh Assembly Government works with third sector organisations to provide opportunities to people who may otherwise miss out on opportunities. Helping people from black and minority ethnic communities to overcome the barriers to employment not only improves their skills and boosts their self esteem. It improves their lives and those of their families and allows them to play a valuable role in society. The Welsh Assembly Government is committed to delivering better services and better policies to the whole of Wales. To do that, we need to understand and value the diverse people within Welsh communities. Our Single Equality Scheme, which we propose to adopt at the end of March 2009, will promote diversity and equality as an integral part of everything we do. This includes supporting projects like this as it is important that the diversity of the people of Wales is reflected in every aspect of life, including the world of work. As part of the three-year project, employers will be targeted to raise awareness of language and cultural issues that affect people from the black and minority ethnic backgrounds. It will also assist them in developing equal opportunities strategies when recruiting new members of staff and enabling them to remain in employment. Naz Malik, the Chief Executive Officer of AWEMA, said: In the last three years, through the Welsh European Funding Office, we have been able to work intensively with our diverse communities and intimately understand the barriers and disadvantages people face in the labour market, especially in the current economic climate. This grant over the next three years will enable us to help and support over a thousand participants back towards sustainable employment. The project is joint-sponsored by a number of organisations that specialise in working with individuals from BME backgrounds including the Valleys Race Equality Council (VALREC), Young Men’s Christian Association (YMCA) Swansea, Supporting Others through Volunteer Action (SOVA) and Minority Ethnic Women’s Network (MEWN) in Swansea. Source http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/23838 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 BNP and im not racist-just patriotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 WOW SA1 did you type all that yourself ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 "what's wrong with looking after your own first." Your own? White people? British Nationals, remember there are lots of 3rd Gen ethnic minorities. Of course legislation prioritising a certain race is ridiculous, but that doesn't justify racism. "According to its constitution, the BNP is "committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948."" "It advocates the repeal of all anti-discrimination legislation, and restricts party membership to "indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’", " "The BNP asserts that there are biological racial differences that determine the behaviour and character of individuals of different races" The fact of the matter is the party is based on race. It deals with immigration not on a practical or fair basis but on race issues. If this is what you want, then fair enough i can respect that and certainly see the appeal, but for me i would need a party that uses the full scientific resources we have to date to sort this country out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA1Gunner Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I am not a racist either and for the record, I don't mind helping anyone out from any ethnic minority but what we have to understand is, first of all we have to take care of the things that are wrong, our elderly and poor are far more important to me than immigrants coming to live here. God I could write an essay on everything that is wrong in Britain. We have given mozlems a home in The UK and how have they repaid us and the West for our kindness. It will get a lot worse before it gets better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA1Gunner Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Bombdil, honestly fella, if Britain does not stop the tide of immigration, it may not be you that will suffer but it will be the offspring of you that will pay for it and as long as it continues, it will slowly be the death of this Nation. Racism what are you on about, this is blatant racism in a time when there are tens of 1000's of Brits loosing their jobs and some ***** has found 4 million pound to help out non whites, if that is not racism then nothing is. Hambone did you think of that name all by yourself lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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