highdowns hunter Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Take a look http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/news/national/sto...ticle=ZWE946293 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 does anyone know the definition of a "firearm".surely an air pistol could not be described as such ? nice to see the police going for the real culprit as opposed to the perpretators of the crime :< will the last person to leave this country please turn off the lights ? my 13 yr old niece was mugged yesterday for her mobile by some little sh*ts who then taunted her.the police where told and couldnt "priorotise" it.went to where it happened,cornered them and one of them phoned the police saying they felt threatened.amazingly the old bill where there inside four minutes.these were sixteen year old boys and the copper said if they gave back the phone would we leave it ? poor bloke,had a full work load on and it was just the start of his shift. got the phone back,a thankyou from the policeman and left it at that.untill he drove off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Hang on folks. This woman discharged a potentially lethal weapon towards a group of children for God's sake. She could have killed one of them or, worse, killed some poor ****** walking past. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right - she so totally deserves to be sentenced custodially. However can any law abiding shooter condone her actions? I have no doubt she was stressed etc but that shouldn't be viewed as an excuse. Sorry for sounding harsh but she has done lawful shooting untold damage and given the anti gun lobby even more ammunition (excuse the pun) to attack us with PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete k Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 sorry guys i know if i say something here i will be banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 no,she fired an air pistol into the ground.in the right hands a yard broom is a potentially lethal weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Hang on folks. This woman discharged a potentially lethal weapon towards a group of children for God's sake. She could have killed one of them or, worse, killed some poor ****** walking past. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right - she so totally deserves to be sentenced custodially. in the modern lets be so correct society this statement MAY? be true, however in the real world which has sensibility and rational thinking! and reasoning!! any sane person can see that the sentance is an "example" not a justified consideration. 6 months for a woman who has probably never seen the inside of a court before? along with the stigma and obvious loss of her career is in my opinion nothing short of barbaric Place this alongside the recent case whereby, two wonderfull testaments to todays youth PURPOSELY drowned a young lad one getting EIGHT months then no sorry I DONT see why she deserved to recieve a custodial sentance not trying to be confrontational just expressing my opinion its just a shame the people who are elected to represent me then DONT cant see what 99% of rational people see cheers Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Hang on folks. This woman discharged a potentially lethal weapon towards a group of children for God's sake. She could have killed one of them or, worse, killed some poor ****** walking past. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right - she so totally deserves to be sentenced custodially. However can any law abiding shooter condone her actions? I have no doubt she was stressed etc but that shouldn't be viewed as an excuse. Sorry for sounding harsh but she has done lawful shooting untold damage and given the anti gun lobby even more ammunition (excuse the pun) to attack us with PP Your right Mr Pieman. But you are the advocate for this thread aren't you I am often reminded of my favourite school teacher when I read your postings. The lady has my full sympathy and I hope it proves to be an easy 3 months for her. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4389945.stm This report is a little more in depth and gives some more information. Reacting to stress is one thing but it seems rather premeditated from the court reports. I kon now its sad etc but its still wrong. Don't expect to make friends with the comments but that's life I suppose PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 read the article and loved the police "response" especially this little GEM "The use of a firearm was an extreme reaction and Greater Manchester Police will not tolerate the use of such a weapon on the street, irrespective of the offender's justification wonder if they've told the yardies down moss side? or perhaps 48 year old school maams are a bit of an easier catch! no where did it mention that police had actually tried to resolve the situation prior to the woman going "berserk" nope! head in sand we don't see a problem is probably the root cause of this sad tale cheers keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Know I shouldn't be adding to this thread but it's just another example of a world (or at least country) gone mad. Things are running dangerously out of control and the authorities are doing NOTHING at all to remedy the situation. We need a return to BASIC law and order, not confusing and restricting extra unenforceable legislation. While police are run off their feet sorting out ridiculous paperwork infested petty crime the main issues are left to fester. Take the example of Diggers Niece, the little ****s that got away with robbing her will see that as a licence to do just as they like. If general law and order existed the woman would never have felt that she needed to resort to the measures she took as the circumstaces she found herself in would not have occured. The government (or lack of one) is fairly to blame for a large amount of serious criminal activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 does anyone know the definition of a "firearm".surely an air pistol could not be described as such ?nice to see the police going for the real culprit as opposed to the perpretators of the crime :< will the last person to leave this country please turn off the lights ? my 13 yr old niece was mugged yesterday for her mobile by some little sh*ts who then taunted her.the police where told and couldnt "priorotise" it.went to where it happened,cornered them and one of them phoned the police saying they felt threatened.amazingly the old bill where there inside four minutes.these were sixteen year old boys and the copper said if they gave back the phone would we leave it ? poor bloke,had a full work load on and it was just the start of his shift. got the phone back,a thankyou from the policeman and left it at that.untill he drove off Baisicly an air gun becomes a fire arm as soon as you commit a crime with it. For instance having one out in a public place it becomes a fire arm tresspass with a fire arm etc. Verry stupid thing to do personaly I can not condone that in a civilised society she should have videod what ever it was that the little scroats were doing. Personaly I would have covertly followed them home then squared the little fu@ks away. Hipocritical I know but if I got causght I would expect to be prosecuted. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 This brings back memories of what happened to me a couple of years ago. Sitting watching TV one night and there was an almighty crack on the large pane of glass in my bay window. I went to look and there was a neat hole through both panes of the double glazing. I phoned the police and said what had happened and that I was the victim of a drive by shooting. Man on other end of phone: "What size glass is it, who fitted them and how much to replace?" Me: " I haven't measured it yet,can't remember name of company as it was about 25 years ago and haven't had one shot in before so don't know how much to replace it" I then realised he was about to put the phone down so I jumped in with: "I have measured the hole and it was a .22 round that went through it." Reply: "That's about a quarter of an inch isn't it? Leave it with me sir" So I rushed round the room tidying the cushions etc expecting the nearest police car in the area to come screaming up. Two minutes later the phone rang : "Take this incident number down sir for your insurance claim." That was the only contact the police made with me, so in their opinion, a car full of yobs driving around shooting a gun of unknown type into houses did not warrant further investigation. Just as well for me I didn't see them in time to shoot back, I would have probably still be doing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 I cant condone her actions, protecting her property or not. She broke the law and has been punished accordingly. If anything, she has been made an example. Two wrongs do not make a right. That said, I feel for her frustration in the lack of law and order that we have in society today. If the Police were better organised, funded and were not restricted so much by all the nancy laws that have been introduced, then this incident may well never have happened. Axe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Hang on folks. This woman discharged a potentially lethal weapon towards a group of children for God's sake. From the linked article you posted: Walker fired the pistol at the road near the feet of Robert McKiernan, 18. Are 18 year old thugs now children? This woman did the wrong thing for sure, but it was the ineptitude of the criminal justice system and 50 plus years of the welfare state that put her in that position. How many times do we hear of thugs and criminals excusing their behaviour because of some perceived fault of 'society' but when a 'real' person is pushed to extraordinary action she gets six months porridge. Double standards anyone? This case should have been shelved as not in the public interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb5037 Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 my 13 yr old niece was mugged yesterday for her mobile by some little sh*ts who then taunted her.the police where told and couldnt "priorotise" it. Sorry to hear the bad news mate. Hope your niece wasn't hurt in any way. a thankyou from the policeman and left it at that. Until he drove off .............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 While I think what she did was wrong, I do think the police should have done more. A couple of years ago we had a fire bomb thrown in to the garden right next to the house. The police were out very quickly, and even the helicopter came out as we live in a fairly ruaral area. So it proves that the police can do something if they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 What she did was wrong and can't be condoned. The two young "children" could be traumatised for life , as a result of the experience. They seem like two nice chaps. No.1 aged 18 years, has convictions for burglary, theft and criminal damage. No.2 aged 16 years, has a conviction for disorderly behaviour and was convicted of shoplifting the day before the incident. Living in Urmston, I am sure she could have had their legs broken for less than £100. Foolish woman, she will know better next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 "The use of a firearm was an extreme reaction and Greater Manchester Police will not tolerate the use of such a weapon on the street, irrespective of the offender's justification" Does anyone remember the guy who got shot the other day by police on the street? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Ah, that's different mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Hang on folks. This woman discharged a potentially lethal weapon towards a group of children for God's sake. She could have killed one of them or, worse, killed some poor ****** walking past. Two wrongs DO NOT make a right - she so totally deserves to be sentenced custodially. However can any law abiding shooter condone her actions? I have no doubt she was stressed etc but that shouldn't be viewed as an excuse. Sorry for sounding harsh but she has done lawful shooting untold damage and given the anti gun lobby even more ammunition (excuse the pun) to attack us with PP Pieman we have disagreed in the past but I am 100% in agreement with your post on this subject. The more Custodial sentances handed out to Firearm offenders the better in my opinion. She now no doubt realises that the consequences of her actions could have been much more terrible and tragic. I for one would like to see even severer sentances for people who commit crimes with Firearms, whether they are discharged in the course of the crime, are fake or not. Yes we all know the Justice system and policing of the community is in imbalance and sometimes seems completely inept and inequitable but if we all took the law into our own hands in this way there would be Anarchy. FM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 if we all took the law into our own hands in this way there would be Anarchy. FM. The law is ours, we subcontract to the police to enforce. If they are unable or unwilling to then it is our right and duty to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 if we all took the law into our own hands in this way there would be Anarchy. FM. The law is ours, we subcontract to the police to enforce. If they are unable or unwilling to then it is our right and duty to do so. So what you saying Lurch... should get a posse together and go and Lynch them That would make us no better than those who committed the crimes in the first instance. FM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Lurch, the law is not 'ours'. the law(s) belong to the monarch, that's why her name appears on the top of the documents as they pass through Parliament and not ours. SHE subcontracts out to the police to enforce HER laws, they are for us to abide by FM, I know we often disagree but I think we are probably very similar in a lot of thoughts etc PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 The monarch or sovereign is the embodiment of the people, of the land. Actually Mike I think we should lynch the scumbags responsible for this mess in the first place. i.e. pretty much every politician, pretty much every employee of 'social services' pretty much every employee of the home office, certainly everyone who buys the Guardian. Then when that's done we can start on the yobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 I for one would like to see even severer sentances for people who commit crimes with Firearms, whether they are discharged in the course of the crime, are fake or not. No argument "BUT" what usefull pupose is there in jailing a 48 year old teacher? someone who has in recent times probably had to put up with more grief and **** in her working day environment than most here have ever seen in a lifetime? and all that goes with it ie the education system loses an asset the woman herself loses her carreer? and why because we have an ineffective policing system that fails to offer help to a persecution victim and again favours the offender so what did she do she discharges an air weapon at a couple of scroats one of whom is old enough to marry, vote, kill some one or be killed if he joined the army go out to a pub and have a few bevies (before in all probability giving someone aglasgow kiss if he is looked at wrongly) the other can do all but buy a pint oh and of course he is old enough to have consentual homosexual sex !!!! so basically are the "children" Now as an example of how BARMY this sentance is here is a little gem showing what happens if you are a scroat and fire / discharge an air wepon recklessly oh and before the god fairing politically correct mob cry foul this is FACT young child (aged 19) well you think hes a kid? sits "bored" waiting for a bus he happens to have an air rifle with him (oh and a tin of pellets) decides the wait is very tedious and needs some entertainment? so he sets about shooting road signs street lamps etc (from the bloody bus stop) whilst OTHERS were there!! obviously gets arrested hurrah you think! lock the thug up? er wrong the full weight of the law is brought down upon the offender and he recieves the punitive sentance OF?? a conditional discharge and a fine of FORTY SEVEN QUID so please give me a break when comparing this woman to the thug element in our society no common sense was used at all and I for one am getting increasingly pi**"d off with our legal sytem bet the gipo's and thugs aint though cheers Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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