Gordon R Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) Chard - agreed. Graham - you seem to be on some sort of crusade to show shooters as unsafe and unfit to hold guns. Why? You might be a newby zealot, out of touch with reality and a bit of a pedant. If you read the replies, you seem to be out of step, not the rest. You seem to be obsessed with flags - these only apply to autos or pumps. Or perhaps your motives lie elsewhere. Edited May 1, 2009 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 auto flags are a waste of time - you can't see them very well anyway - always better to sleeve the auto when you step down from the stand Personally always been confused by the sleeved mentality. o/u, pump or semi, if it's loaded and goes off is it ok because it's in a sleeve? Not a personal pop nickbeardo, a question to anyone who can answer, so far i haven't figured it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosspot Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Hmmmmmmmmm over zealous HSE in action hard hats, safety boots, stab vest at the ready Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 2 hours of playing Last Action Hero and he's qualified to tell everybody that doesn't shoot PSG that they're psychopathic knobends who are a threat to life and limb. Jesus Christ on a bike, that's rich :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 game or clay its the individual thats safe of not, bu I have noticed one thing i don't shoot many clays so this is a limited view point ..... I never see a game shooter close a gun by moving the barrels up they bring the stock up keeping the barrel down but I have only ever saw clay shooters do it by moving barrels up,... what are your thought's The strangest thing I have herd not saw was (I got the story first hand) A man took his son who had downs syndrome to a clay ground to watch him and his friends shoot, one of his group thought it would be a good experience for the lad to shoot, so they let him,...... Before I'm branded for been intolerant or the goody do gooders or people who have been affected by downs tell me everyone has rights,,,,,,,, reality check I already know this & I have no problem with people with any sort of handy cap. But this was not a controlled or safe environment with professional supervision. your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 2 hours of playing Last Action Hero and he's qualified to tell everybody that doesn't shoot PSG that they're psychopathic knobends who are a threat to life and limb. :look: Jesus Christ on a bike, that's rich He's got a Saiga 12 ya know!! Bet that went down well with the 'waistcoats' at the clayground!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) I beleive in the case of semi autos u shouldn't bother witha flag "you can hardly see them" and slings should be allowed in CPSA competitons, if its up in the air or straight to the floor there is no problem. I've had more autos pointed at me in car parks when people are attempting to put a flag in the chamber! EDR Agree whole heartedly with this. 2 hours of playing Last Action Hero and he's qualified to tell everybody that doesn't shoot PSG that they're psychopathic knobends who are a threat to life and limb. Jesus Christ on a bike, that's rich You are a legend Chard Actually, I think they all wish they were Jack Bauer :look: /edit Last comment was a bit harsh, it was late, I was drunk Edited May 2, 2009 by throdgrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Personally always been confused by the sleeved mentality. o/u, pump or semi, if it's loaded and goes off is it ok because it's in a sleeve? Not a personal pop nickbeardo, a question to anyone who can answer, so far i haven't figured it out. no prob - agreed it may still be loaded - but it's pointed up or down and you can't pull the trigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 no prob - agreed it may still be loaded - but it's pointed up or down and you can't pull the trigger It's only up or down til someone lays it on the floor pointing at someone. And you can't pull the trigger true but being in a gun slip won't stop the hammers falling. All this talk of breaking an O/U then but for some reason it's then ok to close it and put it in a slip, out of sight out of mind i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I agree with Markio. Flags and slips are a waste of time. I think all guns should be stripped down between stands and carried in hard cases, only to be assembled when on the stand and ready to shoot. At the end of the shoot a declaration should be made to the ground owner to the effect that you have no live cartridges, empty cases or parts thereof in your possession to stop any mentalist having a pop in his local shopping centre. I can imagine it now :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 game or clay its the individual thats safe of not, bu I have noticed one thing i don't shoot many clays so this is a limited view point ..... I never see a game shooter close a gun by moving the barrels up they bring the stock up keeping the barrel down but I have only ever saw clay shooters do it by moving barrels up,... what are your thought's The strangest thing I have herd not saw was (I got the story first hand) A man took his son who had downs syndrome to a clay ground to watch him and his friends shoot, one of his group thought it would be a good experience for the lad to shoot, so they let him,...... Before I'm branded for been intolerant or the goody do gooders or people who have been affected by downs tell me everyone has rights,,,,,,,, reality check I already know this & I have no problem with people with any sort of handy cap. But this was not a controlled or safe environment with professional supervision. your thoughts? I dont see a problem with it, put the kid in the safety cage (control) with one to one supervision (control and safety) from his dad loading one cartridge at a time and not removing the safety until the gun is mounted and pointed in a safe direction (control and safety). I am not sure what kind of profesional supervision you would want or need for this?? Now if they just gave the kid a slack handfull of carts and told him to crack on that would be iresponsable wheather or not the kid was mentaly handicaped. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I agree with Markio. Flags and slips are a waste of time. I think all guns should be stripped down between stands and carried in hard cases, only to be assembled when on the stand and ready to shoot. At the end of the shoot a declaration should be made to the ground owner to the effect that you have no live cartridges, empty cases or parts thereof in your possession to stop any mentalist having a pop in his local shopping centre. I can imagine it now :look: I also think that the aforementioned hard cases should be made of clear plastic so that the breech flag can be observed within the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 no prob - agreed it may still be loaded - but it's pointed up or down and you can't pull the trigger Never even considered putting a loaded gun in a slip..... madness,...... how much of your time does it take to unload? if that was a hard & fast rule we would all know a gun in a slip was safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Never even considered putting a loaded gun in a slip..... madness,...... how much of your time does it take to unload? if that was a hard & fast rule we would all know a gun in a slip was safe :( He's not suggesting he puts a loaded gun in the slip numbnuts Just that if that situation did occur.... etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 :( He's not suggesting he puts a loaded gun in the slip numbnuts Just that if that situation did occur.... etc etc. My nuts have a full range of sensation thank you very much and if its ok for him to talk hypotheticaly ... the why not for me........and I have heard of this practice before num err, um, errr...... nipples yes,....numnipples ha hows that feel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 At my ground everone is very safe, 100% game shooters but still. Broken and open between stands, never really see a semi or pump so cant comment, but as for stripping a gun down between stands, come on?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 My nuts have a full range of sensation thank you very much and if its ok for him to talk hypotheticaly ... the why not for me........and I have heard of this practice before num err, um, errr...... nipples yes,....numnipples ha hows that feel? Feels great. Anyway, it was your sentence "Never even considered putting a loaded gun in a slip". This made me think you were under the impression that Nick thought it sound to put a loaded gun in a slip, obviously this wasn't the point made by Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Markio you're such a gentleman - indeed i would never dream of placing a loaded gun in a slip, but if some numpty did by mistake, then at least they have less chance of shooting me with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 but as for stripping a gun down between stands, come on?:(? :( Bagsy was being faciteous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) Bagsy was being faciteous. Humble apologies. I must have caught dont-readd-the-thread-but-make-divvy-comments-flu from on here *spelling* Edited May 2, 2009 by libs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcs1972 Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 auto flags are a waste of time - you can't see them very well anyway - always better to sleeve the auto when you step down from the stand I agree with Nick, it also puts people at a little more ease if the gun is in the case....A new shooter myself, I'm trying to ensure that I sleeve the gun whilst pointing it away from everyone to give people a bit more confidence......... In general, you can have loads of rules, but education is the key... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 At my club we have 3 safety officers..... everyone must wear shooting glasses and hearing protection guns can be broken and carried between stands out of slip, auto's must be unloaded at all times unless in a stand ready to shoot.... our CPSA insurance stipulates the wearing of eye and ear protection... its common sense really.... only dodgy thing is the sarnies.... :( ...lol...(only kidding dave) shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 At my club we have 3 safety officers..... everyone must wear shooting glasses and hearing protection guns can be broken and carried between stands out of slip, auto's must be unloaded at all times unless in a stand ready to shoot.... our CPSA insurance stipulates the wearing of eye and ear protection... its common sense really.... only dodgy thing is the sarnies.... :( ...lol...(only kidding dave) shaun So can you carry a loaded but broken O/U between stands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 but if some numpty did by mistake, then at least they have less chance of shooting me with it. I suspect grahamt is out to wind a few of you up, dont bite guys, PSG is safe but we are not elitist as some would like you to believe. As an example of what can happen, & why flags & vertical carry became mandatory for IPSC shooting. Here is a true incident (not in the UK) a browning gold auto is cleared & no rounds in the chamber or magazine visible, bolt is locked open & gun is placed in the slip & stored in the gun rack provided, at the next stage gun is removed & found to be loaded !!!!!!!!!!!!!! How did it happen ? A cartridge had become wedged by grit/dirt up inside the mag tube & the gun was thought to be clear, by placing the gun down in the rack or maybe it was bumped while in the rack dislodged the stuck round & thanks to the Brownings "speed load" feature the gun was able to chamber the round by itself, a loaded auto was now in the slip. If a safety flag had been fitted the round would not have been able to chamber fully & thats why we use them, I never feel comfortable when I see people carrying guns in slips horizontaly by the handles, I much prefer vertical carry up or down, after all slips are not bullet proof are they ? N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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