lacrowbasher Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 I need some advice I have a permission In sussex its 550 acres mainly woods and open fields but sadly know crops the landowner only lets us shoot crows,squirrels,jays and magpies and a pheasant in season but he likes the pigeons and rabbits that are overunning his permission so know go there and trust me i have tried. I always let him know when I am going and what and where I will be shooting I always go for a chat and offer help around the property and of course respect him and his land.I set up this morning had 2 crows in 10 minutes hide and deeks working perfectly he then rang me and told me all the banging was not good and to get off the land as I was giving him a bad name I was a mile from his property and as said he knew I was there and that I was using a shotgun so where do i go from here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 If it was me i would go and have a chat with him, he may of just been having a bad day, after all its somewhere to shoot. Hope it all works out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomleatel Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Tell him to shove it up his pipe...... Find somewhere else to shoot, and for someone who actually wants someone on there land doing a service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 If you don't want it mate just give me the details and i'll take it off your hands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 If you have plenty of other ground just tell him you can't use a shotgun without making noise! Does he want his pests controlled or what? He sounds like one of these posh hobby farmers? They always are a pain in the butt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badshot Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 He's got 550 acres overrun with rabbits and he LIKES them!!!!!!!! Call the men in white coats get him locked up and see if his kids are a bit more sensible Does he graze livestock? If so then i think every ten rabbits or something like that equals a sheep so less rabbits equals more sheep equals more income equals more profit. However i do realise that there are large parts of Sussex owned by the lifestylers who will not budge on this issue however much it is costing them. Honestly it would bug the hell out of me if i had gone down to do some vermin control and got told to ****** off because of the noise. Try looking for a better bit of ground before telling him he is mad as the proverbial though. You might not find too much more that quickly. Badshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 He is making it untenable for you . I wouldnt bother to go there . Just tell him to give you a call when he needs you .At least you can keep your feet under the table Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacrowbasher Posted May 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 he is a conservationist if thats how you spell it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 He is making it untenable for you . I wouldnt bother to go there . Just tell him to give you a call when he needs you .At least you can keep your feet under the table Harnser . I was about to say 'walk away' but this is sound diplomatic advice. Keeps your options open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 He sounds a little unusual.... however there is still an opportunity here. If he doesn't want noise but still wants 'select' pests removing then get him to sign you off for FAC air or rimfire and get your FAC application in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tattoo sleeve Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 he is a conservationist if thats how you spell it It is spelt..... P - R - A - T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badshot Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 he is a conservationist if thats how you spell it I was right then. Does that mean he is just letting the land go wild? As a "real" farmer i can't quite grasp the concept. As already stated keep your feet under the table while looking for better options. Maybe enquire at your local gunshop to see if there is any more available, some landowners will go there to get names for vermin control. If you are anywhere near Hickstead I might be able to help, i have family over that way. PM me if stuck. Badshot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustyIrl Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 It is spelt..... P - R - A - T :wub: It does sound unusual. Maybe her indoors is complaining, 'the poor animals, what harm are they doing etc'. I know a lad who used to shoot and he wasnt a bad shot, had the best of everything, complete set up, and now he dosnt shoot. Missus loves animals and he views it as cruel now too. This lad used to be out all day shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacrowbasher Posted May 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Thats a fab offer as for the fac he has intimated he would give us permission and his land is already passed but honestly a fac for crows squirrels etc is that good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badshot Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) Oops hadn't checked your profile see where you are now, probably a bit far i guess. Offer still stands though Good luck. Badshot Edited May 8, 2009 by badshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTANDFISH Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I need some advice I have a permission In sussex its 550 acres mainly woods and open fields but sadly know crops the landowner only lets us shoot crows,squirrels,jays and magpies and a pheasant in season but he likes the pigeons and rabbits that are overunning his permission so know go there and trust me i have tried. I always let him know when I am going and what and where I will be shooting I always go for a chat and offer help around the property and of course respect him and his land.I set up this morning had 2 crows in 10 minutes hide and deeks working perfectly he then rang me and told me all the banging was not good and to get off the land as I was giving him a bad name I was a mile from his property and as said he knew I was there and that I was using a shotgun so where do i go from here What time in the morning did you start shooting...??... You might have woke him up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Is this your farmer by any chance? sounds like a complete tree hugger to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Just a thought, but have you thought of a hushpower? A couple of my mates had their guns done and they do make a difference? Might be a good compromise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 so why did he let you shoot his land in the first place if he doesnt like noise, did he think you would of been using a bow and arrow, and do you mean he likes the pigeons and rabbits for himself to shoot, or someone else who pays him to be able to shoot them, id like to say tell him to stick it but permission is permission so id go have a work and see what the crack is, lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watkins666 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I dont know if i am missing the point here but does'nt he have a legal obligation to control the number of rabbits on his land "An Order has been made under Section 1 of the Pests Act 1954 by which England and Wales (except for the City of London, the Isles of Scilly and Skokholm Island) have been designated a Rabbit Clearance Area. In this area, every occupier of land is responsible for the killing or taking of wild rabbits on his land. Where it is not reasonably practical to destroy the rabbits, occupiers must take the necessary steps to prevent them causing damage. Under section 98 of the Agricultural Act 1947, Defra has the power to serve a Notice under the Agriculture Act 1947, requiring rabbit control to be carried out; if this is not done, they may arrange for the necessary work to be undertaken at the expense of the occupier, who could also be liable to a fine." Apologies if as a newbie i missed something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I dont know if i am missing the point here but does'nt he have a legal obligation to control the number of rabbits on his land "An Order has been made under Section 1 of the Pests Act 1954 by which England and Wales (except for the City of London, the Isles of Scilly and Skokholm Island) have been designated a Rabbit Clearance Area. In this area, every occupier of land is responsible for the killing or taking of wild rabbits on his land. Where it is not reasonably practical to destroy the rabbits, occupiers must take the necessary steps to prevent them causing damage. Under section 98 of the Agricultural Act 1947, Defra has the power to serve a Notice under the Agriculture Act 1947, requiring rabbit control to be carried out; if this is not done, they may arrange for the necessary work to be undertaken at the expense of the occupier, who could also be liable to a fine." Apologies if as a newbie i missed something. Not any more! http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/news/284797/Na...egislation.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watkins666 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Well they need to update their own website:- http://naturalengland.etraderstores.com/Na...d8-610b8dcfc020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 All the advice to "tell him to stick it" is great....................if you have loads of other opportunities. However, I suspect you haven't. On my permissions I have various "rules" I have to observe, on one its dawn to dusk shooting only, on another its no Sunday shooting and no foxes, on another I must not shoot near two large houses, on another no shooting before 8am, etc., etc. Shooting permissions are hard to get and most of us have to compromise a bit. I would suggest a conversation with him to sort out what you can and can't do and when you can do it. If necessary consider an air rifle, or Hushpower. I doubt with the quarry you describe that an FAC is a sensible option. Best of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 My advice, nip over to main land Europe and collect and bring back a big sack of rabid foxes, oh and get some duty free booze while you are at it. Release the rabid foxes round said farmer's house and just sit back and wait for the phone to ring. Mr Conservationalist Guardian reading farmer won't look so clever surrounded by rabid foxes with no gun and no one to shoot them. Job done I really should start charging for advice of this quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubix Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 To be honest, it's little wonder people have problems getting shooting when you read the comments some shooters make about farmers and land owners, calling them ****** and telling them to stick it etc. If someone came on here looking for a shooter to deal with pests, they'd be able to draw a long list of shooters they wouldnt let anywhere near their land. If you want to shoot you've got to abide by his rules. I wouldn't recommend bullying him with threats about his legal obligations i.e. he'd better let you shoot his rabbits or he's a criminal and there's no way he can refuse you ( I love that one) or verbally abusing him either. Just check what his new rules are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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