jonevo Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Dont know if anyone else has seen this but in the daily mail a man caught grey squirrel and found the easiest way to kill it was to drown it,someone grassed on him and he now has a criminal record and fined £1500 heres the strory http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12...g-squirrel.html what are your thoughts ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Must admit, I don't really agree with drowning them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themacclad Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Assumed they were vermin ! Obviously someone saw it drowning and thought it was a bit cruel. I would of thought a pellet would of been more humane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I have recently set up a Facebook page. Josephine's Action against All Animal Cruelty And Abuse, I want to make a difference, however small, so go and search for it and leave messages, and let me know what has been going on in your are and, what is being done about it, if I think I can step in, I will, i'll put animals first before some rotten "humans" or should that be morons I know. Anyone joining up? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Read down to the bottom, that Josephine sounds a prize xxxxxxx. and what is going on with the two fat birds in the lime green cosies doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danddo Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Assumed they were vermin !Obviously someone saw it drowning and thought it was a bit cruel. I would of thought a pellet would of been more humane. Agree, but I would put money on it that he told someone of the day he caught a squirrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themacclad Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 He should of ate it !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danddo Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 He should of ate it !!! He might of done, after he Drowned it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I like one comment where it says "anyone who traps a squirrel should take it to their local RSPCA centre" bet they'd love that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonevo Posted July 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) I use cage traps and they are very effective in what they are made to do.Obviously they are purposley made to capture Its only when you catch something ,you have the task of releasing it or despatching it,However trying to handle a wild Squirrel in order to despatch it is not a task I would do. 1. you can shoot it 2. you can take it to a vet and they will charge you £70 3.Drown it and now get fined £1500 or leave them for the RSPCA to deal with ,it will cost them lots of money beacause once trapped its against the law to release it Edited July 20, 2010 by jonevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 He should have dispatched it quickly not caused it to suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymaster Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Can we all agree on a National Grey Squirrel Rehoming Day where we trap the greys and take them to the local RSPCA "sanctuary". The only way to deal with these types is to follow through their insane logic and inundate them with the results of their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 + amendments covers/protects ALL wildlife unless specifically listed in one or other of the General Licennces AND then it lays down rules/laws as to how and with what certain animals/birds may be killed. Nowhere does it say you can kill ANY animal by drowning it. I guess it was this act that the chap was prosecuted under. IMO he's gotta be a bit of a numpty to even consider handling a wild squirrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greymaster Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I assumed he just lowered the cage into a water butt with the grey still in. Just how humane is rat poison? I assumed the vermin died a lingering death from internal bleeding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 what about poking with a sharp stick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonevo Posted July 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 now we enter another dimension of a safe killing practice,were does this leave ferreters ,once a rabbit is caught in the net or by the teeth of your ferret ,you hold it and despatch it to kill it using your hands, do the RSPCA want you to take it to a vet ? are we going to be fined for cruelty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Now don't lets get silly over this. Trapping is still legal IF done in the correct manner. Humane despatch is the keyword here and 'drowning' whether in a trap/cage or your hand indeed in any form would NOT be considered humane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Monty Python's Mouse Organ: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punt Gun Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I think Jonevo has a good point. It is all down to different interpretations, and any lawyer can twist an interpretation to mean something completely different. As mentioned previously it is breaking the law to release a squirrel once caught, it is not indiginous to the UK. Lawers will start twisting against or forms of despatching. I think we should all start trapping squirrels and start taking them to the RSPCA. Poor bloke he was doing the environment a favor, rotton tree rats Monty Python's Mouse Organ: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Would playing a squirrel the over and over and over again until it brains dissolves constitute cruelty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Yes poor bloke BUT ignorance of the law never has been a good defence. Drowning can never be a good option as it takes time, anything that's quick is also best. The RSPCA will use these breeches of the legal position at every opportunity to try and stop us enjoying fieldsports. It doesn't matter how much of cat loving grannies money they waste doing it in their eyes they are at war with us so it's time we and the likes of BASC fought back! Although I appreciate not in this instance as the guy clearly wasn't taking part in 'fieldsports' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver_pigeon Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Totally shocked/saddened at this!! I'm sorry but drowing is not a kind or quick way, particuarlly in comparison to a bullett! I'm squeamish and hate things like this, but even I know that a rifle would have been the far kinder option and it is really a cruel way that he chose, no animal...pest or not....deserves to die in that way! I understand what was said about the cost of lethal injection, but he should have done nothing if he did not have the means to dispatch the animal humanely and quickly. If no licence thus no gun, he should have called in someone who could deal with it, not made a death bath for the poor thing, that is inexcuseable and I agree with the prosecution, I don't care who disagrees with me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvbus Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I assumed he just lowered the cage into a water butt with the grey still in. I thought drowning was the usual technique for dealing with mink when trapped, why the difference with a squirrel? Could a trapped animal in a cage be dispatched with CO2 or N2 without falling foul of the regulations as CO2 is used to dispatch unwanted hen chicks? Surely shooting an animal in a cage has its own safety & animal stress implications? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 he would have been stumped if it was one of these squirrels... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Mt personal opinion is he was wrong to drown it... A) the squirrel would be agitated by seeing the person pick up the trap B ) It would be terrified as it was lowered into the water The guy is a nugget and deserved the fine IMO, I'm no expert on Squirrel trapping but there has to be a faster more humane way. I am all for our sport but do not like animal cruelty one bit, it would also depend on the context i.e.- "everybody come here and watch as I drown a squirrel" or "I wonder if drowning would be a kinder dispatch for this squirell" Regards, Gixer Edited July 20, 2010 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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