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I use Maxam PSB+2 for some cracking 26g lead loads. I also use Vectan AO for 26/27g lead loads which is a proofed load from a well respected loader on here. I know many also use Maxam PSB+2SP. For lighter loads I use Vectan A1 or Maxam PSB+3.

When you say ‘a lot’ what sort of numbers are you talking?

Based on your advice I went out and bought 1000s of red ones. Lo and behold, hard as I try I can’t force them into my 20g. Gutted. I hate yellow ones.

Hi Sits, I’ve been loading your proofed 70mm 20ga, 615, z19 plastic wad, 20grain AO, 27g lead fold crimp. It’s a great load. I’ve also been loading it in fibre with nitro card at 21 grains. Also a lovely load. I’m interested in that 67mm RTO load. Are you using the same 20gr AO 27g lead but with plastic obturator and fibre and RTO? Just bought a GAEP crimp finisher and it makes beautiful RTOs with a cordless drill.

For Sale Beds/Herts 500 RC 20 bore T3 28g no 5 shot 70mm case £150 (or £75 a slab of 250) 100 RC Semi-Magnum 32g no 5 shot £30 250 loose Lyalvale Express no 6 shot (163 65mm 25g + 87 28g 70mm) £70 all plastic - collect only

Hi, is this still available?

PM’d you

Good idea. Just emailed you.

The Yellow ones are NSI Sipes not RC Sipes. Same powder, different cartridge manufacturer. 🤓😜

Hi, I could do that but to be honest I wanted to try to improve on the standard mass produced fare and I know some loaders rate their loads better than those you can buy.

I’m open to suggested loads, not restricted to one powder. I’ve seen suggested data for various powders including Vectan A1 and A0, Maxam CSB3 and Psb +2sp etc but yet to see a load recipe for fibre at 26/27g lead without adjusting 24 or 28g loads. As I’m new to reloading I’d rather go with precise tested loads.

Does anybody have proofed load data for a 20g fibre load of around 26/27g lead suitable for pigeons and Corvids? I have the FES and Clay & Game data sheets but can’t see anything between 24 and 28g. Thanks

Hi, are these still available? I have Gamebore 12g 32g 6s and am in Beds if that’s any good? In fact I’m just down the road!

Hi, do you have load data for your home load that I could have please?

Back in the 70s in cardboard cases Gytthop Sport were buff coloured with red writing and Gytthorp Trap were Red with black writing

To be honest, it wouldn’t bother me whilst we can still shoot lead if they banned it but, over the last few decades of being in the countryside, I see far more old discarded plastic cases than wads, which is counter intuitive. I can only assume that wads are actually breaking down over time.

You must have missed the bit where he said the solution to corvid recovery was giving out free cartridges? 😳

Man, I didn’t intend for my answer to be taken so forensically. Here’s an analogy; If you want a standard 2 litre Ford Focus with 200 bhp you can buy one. You can also choose to buy a standard 1.5 litre Ford Fiesta with 150 bhp. You could spend money to get it mapped, a bigger turbo etc to make 200bhp, so it goes like a 200bhp Focus. However, if you bought the 200bhp Focus you can get that mapped too and put a bigger turbo on it to make 250 bhp. But if you wanted the Fiesta because it’s smaller, lighter and more agile then buy it. If you wanted the Focus because it has a bit more room and grunt buy that instead. Either one of them can be modified. Can we stop now?

Yes, of course you can put big loads in a 20 and small loads in a 12 but if you are trying to compare one with the other compare apples with apples, so to speak.

That was my point. A ‘true’ 20g load vs an equivalent ‘true’ 12g load. The only thing the 12 has more of is the no of pellets.

If you compare ‘true’ loads between the the gauges ie say 24gram no 6 in a 20 and 28 gram no 6 in a 12 of the same type of cartridge, it’s only the number of pellets that is different, not the ‘power’ so range is the same, speed is the same. For example, if you only need 5 shot pellets to kill a pigeon then the 20g throws say 200 vs say 250 in a 12g. All shot bar the 5 that hit it end up on the floor. Of course you can up your lead load in a 20g but not sure why you’d want to. Those numbers are just for illustration. IMHO if you put your shot in the right place any gauge will kill so if you want the lighter weight, fast handling of the 20g go for it but I personally don’t see the point of heavy loads in a 20g. You may prefer it to my next point 😂😉

Thanks 243deer. I’ve been on their site just now. Loads of info and some much easier to follow suggested loads. Thanks

Thanks, I was hoping to get a steer on loading data. The little I’ve seen seems a nightmare. I plan to reuse the Gamebore 70mm Clear Pigeon cases I currently use as I have a few 1000 to get through. Thanks Dunks. I bought the Lee Loadall from 1967 Spud Reloading Supplies in Norfolk - Only £65.