joecash

very cheap project for somebody

as we all know lead is hardly environmentally friendly and there are constant rumours, indeeed quite believable that lead shot will eventually be banned. To be on the safe side of the argument I would always go for a shotgun with a fleur de lys proof mark Just my opinion

as far as I am concerned my life is worth far more getting into an argument about proof google is your friend - BASC PRODUCE AN INFORMATION SHEET I reproduce a little of it below STEEL SHOT What you need to know from a safety point of view There are two types of steel shot cartridges: Standard Steel and High Performance Steel (See table below for criteria). Standard Steel cartridges can be fired through any gun proved to the standard level (ie most “Nitro” proved guns, proved to at least 930 bar) and through any choke. High Performance Steel cartridges should always be marked as such on the box and should only be fired through guns that have passed Steel Shot proof. These guns should be proved to at least 1320 bar, be stamped with "Steel Shot" and a have a Fleur de Lys proof mark to prove it). Most High Performance steel can be fired through any choke, but it is recommended not to use choke greater than a half for shot sizes BB (4.1mm) or larger. As a result of its hardness and the typical plastic wad, steel does have the potential to cause some choke expansion ("bulging") particularly in older, traditional lightweight guns. Care is also needed when shooting steel shot as it can ricochet more than lead. Eye protection may be sensible. The descriptions and limits are set out by the International Proof Commission (CIP)

still available - most surprised

I'd stick to steel shot proofed shotguns just in case xx otherwise there could be a lot of expense if lead is banned

As would we all if we had a sponsored gun. I'm sure Mr Digweed could shoot with anything as long as it has a tube and goes bang "safely"

+1 same can't be said for the cardboard box it comes in! still, does the job getting it from the place of purchase to home.

browning miroku or beretta - whatever you buy, firstly make sure it fits you properly and secondly try it out before parting with the cash Dont know where you are located so cant recommend a decent gun shop. If you are in or around Nottingham go to Neville Guns in Alfreton, hundreds of guns and you can take one on approval or shoot on his grounds 10 minutes down the road.

although the Miroku grade 1s do the job, and do it very well, many of the stocks are hardly pleasing to the eye.

when you've tried the rest, buy the best, Miroku

good layout and value

acccording to guntrader a new one can be purchased for the same price

"Which" best buy were rspb 8x40 for £122 for standard sized binos and rspb 8x25 for £89 for compact binos however that's just their opinion - what matters is how you get on with them. anything thats got "shooting on it" tends to increase the price dramatically - just my 2 bobs worth

+1 try miroku also Browning Citoris look good value at the moment see guntrader If you are after value look at s/h Grade 5s imho steer well clear of xtragrain wood when buying a beretta - you dont know whats underneath the finish

nice wood for a Grade 3

buy or get given a "£5" gun and have a play - watch a few youtube vids - best way to learn unless a gunsmith is happy to teach you for free in return for your help the odd day.

The most important thing about a shotgun is the "fit" and secondly it's "looks". How can this be achieved by using RFD. Takes away a lot of the buying fun in my view, not forgetting the "haggling". Also if you have a warranty claim, or an early problem, having the dealer on your doorstep makes a lot of sense enjoy your purchase Just my view

if you are new to shooting take a couple of lessons first with someone who knows what they're doing - welsh warrior on here has quite a few recommends will be the best £50 or £60 you can spend.

Best tip based on the information you have provided - hand it back and say beyond me

I wouldn't buy any beretta that has "Xtra-grain" treatment or whatever. I dread to think whats underneath.

minimising kick, in any shotgun is mainly to do with "fit" and decent "accessories" or "mods" like butt pads etc. Clearly the cartridges with more "bang" have an impact too. It's amazing how many people don't get advice or indeed won't spend the £50 or so with someone like welsh warrior on here to get a few words of wisdom regarding "fit" before shelling out on the wrong shotgun costing, in many cases, not "hundreds" but "thousands".

the problem with many semi autos as opposed to an o/u or indeed sbs is that many brands, not just hatsans, are very fussy about the cartridge they need to ensure proper cycling. If you shoot 10,000 cartridges a year then the cost of shooting your semi auto as opposed to the o/u or sbs could be an extra £500 a year or so.

its not rocket science - plenty of advice on here and you tube etc - why not buy or get an "end of life shotgun" for nothing or a tenner at the most and have a play - otherwise get it done for a reasonable price by someone like welsh warrior as others have suggested - be careful - like everything else there are plenty of so called stockers and "oity toitys" laying in wait for the unwary. Just like shotguns you can get an excellent new one for £400 or over £100 grand - at the end of the day they pattern the same and go bang.

armsan semi may fit your bill - very good reviews less than £400 new too for the synthetic and a little more for the wood version - seen one build quality is extremely good for the money - main thing with any gun is "fit" - then you have a better chance of hitting something.

Miroku - build quality second to none - as long as it fits and is in good order - you cant go wrong - apart from that just keep it clean - and if it doesn't break, dont fix it - might have to change the firing pins every 250,000 to 500,000 shells or so, but only if it plays up. Nothing to touch them for the price and when you come to sell it, provided you haven't allowed yourself to be ripped off and looked after it you will at least get your money back.