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I've been on the 2 for 1 offer days but they finished at the end of April - a very nice ground but geared to the high-end shooter. You can't shoot alone

I just googled though I do have the book the quote is from There's 1 for sale on Guntrader K

And this may be them: At some further point the firm was renamed Manton and Co, which may or may not be coincidal with a change in ownership. To quote Teasdale-Buckell, “The business of Manton and Co. was purchased by Mr. William Robert Wallis about the year 1847; he worked the business successfully until his retirement from India in 1878, when the same was taken over and is now worked by his sons. The firm has flourished, and has held the appointment of gunmakers to every Viceroy of India, and bears the highest reputation as the pioneer gunmakers in India.” [1: 286]

Mostly W W Greener K

Thanks a lot for the gun Mick - a beauty And like many I was tempted by another, so came away with 2 K

Very nice I've left a sealed bid on a similar gun at Holts but if that doesn't come off...... What are the wall thicknesses like? Any photos of the top rib? Thanks K

I have 1 and love it - straight-hand stock, 1/4 and 1/2, huge trigger guard, a little short so I shoot slightly high but will leave as is A very robust gun K

I had a couple of barbel from the Ivel a few years ago using the Match Aerial my dad bought me s/hand from a retiring miner in 1967, it still spins flawlessly

Here Michel http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Shooting-Essentials-Dark-brown-leather-DOUBLE-gun-slip-case-UP-TO-30-/152443016732?hash=item237e4fd61c:g:XjIAAOSwmfhX6WyQ Kevin

This on Shotgun World http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=450835

Queen to H8 Black King has to take Bishop to F6, both check and revealed check Black king has to go back to g8 Rook to H8 -checkmate

This might help Gustav http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/features/are-provincial-gunmakers-a-dying-breed-13439 K

There's a nice Pape here with a picture of the trigger guard http://www.francislovel.com/guns-for-sale/english-shotguns Search using the name

Per Nigel Brown: D Watson & Co at 19 Inglis Street, Inverness 1922-approx 1940 Trading as Donald Watson 1890-1901, Watson & Co 1905- circa 1920

https://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Gunmakers-London-v-1-x/dp/1904057470 This is 1 of Nigel Brown's books K

N Brown London - I looked in Birmingham before - has a Dudley Williamson (est 1820) at 3 Waterloo Road 1906-11 and 5 Waterloo Road 1912-20 It looked to be a nice gun K

There's 1 on Gun Trader at Hadfield Guns https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/shotguns/d-williamson/side-by-side/12-gauge/160907151055002 K

And this: Moore, Daniel, Moore’s Patent Fire Arms Co.—Brooklyn, N. Y. Moore received the following patents: April 3, 1855, side swung revolver; September 18, i860, revolver improvements; January 7, 1862, seven-shot, rim-fire revolver (pressure upon a stud to the right of the hammer allows the barrel and cylinder to swing to the right on a pivot at lower end of the frame) ; February 24, 1863, pistol, the barrel swings to the left to load. Moore’s patents were infringements on Smith & Wesson and were taken over by that firm. Produced D. Williamson's patent teat-fire revolver, patent of January 5, 1864. Active 1853-67.

WILLIAMSON, David — New York, N. Y. The name appears on a per cussion derringer made under D. Williamson patent of Oct. 2, 1866, No. 58,525. Probably made by the National Arms Co., of Brooklyn, N. Y., or Moore Firearms Co. of Brooklyn (same firm), makers of Williamson arms. BROOKLYN N.Y." and "D. WILLIAMSON'S PATENT JANUARY 5, 1864" This is what i could find after a quick search Nothing in Nigel Brown and would seem to be US based K

Queen to B5, then either A6 or E8 depending upon which black pawn is moved?

28gm 6s are all I use, 65mm, though I'm at best an average shot. I wouldn't use more in old English guns K

Thanks Steve, I received it today A very nice vest K

There are pictures on Gunwatch now

Agreed As a lefty I find the under-lever awkward, though a side-lever is good for me, using my left thumb

You want nitro-proofed, lots have open chokes, even TC on the right barrel, you need good wall thicknesses and ideally well in proof and little or no pitting Bill Pink/Historic Guns (Coney Basher on here) is very helpful. I bought a Pollard Hammer gun off him and Gunman here knows of a good gun And there's Diggory Hadoke's book on Hammer Guns I did find on a shoot last Saturday that it helped being able to open my Lang hammer gun with the right hammer cocked K