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Yes agreed. I had an interesting day with these Eley 14 grammers - pigeons over a laid barley patch - early in the summer. They were all I had at the time. Fortunately the laid patch was close to the field edge and my hide. Anything hit within 25 yards tumbled. It was virtually recoil-less shooting. The gun just went went ‘pop’, but there was a puff of feathers and a bird falling. Surprisingly effective.

My main field cart’ now also. 👍 The only other 410 cart’ I use is the Eley Trap 14 gram, shot size 7 1/2 for clays.

Just patterned a 410 today with 3” 19 gram Hull cart’s. Really surprised how good a 22 yard pattern was with cylinder choke. It would have perhaps been good for another couple of yards too. The quarter choke (10 thou on my particular gun) was too tight at that range to be of any real use….dinner plate size.

Ha ha great 🤣 You should change your forum name to ‘FoxSpreader’.

I can understand Ultrastu’s concern - now that I know it’s about moderated 410s. What we should be pushing for, is a pragmatic approach around future shot type legislation, so that this lovely little caliber doesn’t become extinct….!! I think allowing the 410 to continue as a lead cartridge gun for vermin is a reasonable ask.

If you dispose of the breasted carcasses on the farm in a sensible place (i.e not a roadside or by a path etc), as Scully said, they won’t be there long. Usually within 24 hours they will just be feather piles. Just breast them where you shoot. Nature does the rest. P.S Don’t leave them in a conspicuous unsightly heap - spread them about on the edge of a wood or hedge bottom. One here, one over there and so on.

A jacket is one thing, but I’m still reluctant to support JC’s online model, if it means paying a big premium. I find it quite a pleasant experience to visit a favourite gun shop, and return home stocked up with my favourite cart’s….. and a few goodies I don’t need but like…..?!

It’s not that local shops are reducing their cart’ prices. It’s more a case of JC being expensive - always have been. Their prices are….shall we say… unusual. As said above, buy local. Support your gun shop.

“Given that only a fieldsports enthusiast would buy these mags it's a waste of paper, ink and money.” I couldn’t agree more. Preaching to the converted burns resources for no gain whatsoever.

Ah so that’s another excuse then….?! Might use that one 😄

Ha ha yes, I have heard similar, and actually read a Shooting Times article perpetuating this ‘hosepipe’ effect. Hilarious.

Interesting to see these shot string videos, all clever stuff, but how relevant…..?

It could be a whole host of different scavengers. You would need a cam’ to find out for sure. Badgers don’t normally bother with them until they are a little pungent. Rats are also quite often partial to a dead bird - and eat them in situ.

Yes Lowry - the Winchester ballistician. There have also been others who replicated the same experiment, with the same results.

Nice pictures 👍 If you ever get the chance to see the slomo stuff, it’s surprising how far the apparently solid shot mass travels before spreading.

No old’un I promise you it doesn’t. This is another strange concept, often perpetuated by some authors, who haven’t done their physics homework. I think I remember this Shooting Times article. This and other nonsense they wrote about stopped me buying their publication in the end.

Hi Wymberley, The myth - popularised by some writers and the shooting press - is that shot string has an effect. The idea that a bird or clay can pass through the front, centre or tail of the string, as it travels away from the gun, is quite alluring and easy to believe. Many still believe this to be true. However……. it is a big fat myth. Winchester we’re the first major cartridge company to carry out work on this. They found that even using the longest shot string they could provoke (I think from memory it was a 1 3/4 oz 20 bore load), shooting at board travelling at 45 mph 40 yards from the gun, the ‘string effect’ only skewed the pattern by just under 5%. In other words the pattern was only very slightly oval rather than round. The conclusion from this and several other similar experiments: while ‘shot stringing’ certainly exists, there is no significant ‘effect’ as the shot are travelling so much faster than the target. Hope that explains what I was rambling on about re shot string myth etc…… 🙂

There is a danger that shot string ‘slomos’ could perpetuate the myth of ‘shot string effect’ - debunked long ago by prominent ballisticians. Interesting however, to see the behaviour of shot strings, even if they are moving too fast to have any significant ‘effect’. More interesting though is the formation and influences of pattern - gained by this modern miracle of high resolution slomo.

It’s strange, but crows which have been dead a while, say more than 3 or 4 hours, don’t seem to work nearly as well as freshly killed ones. I have no idea why this is - a definite observation over many years of decoying though. Only the crows know why….?! Can’t comment on the plastic decoys as I’ve never used them.

Only the use of livestock as bait is illegal. Eggs, dead rabbits etc perfectly fine.

Actually you’ve hit on something there. The plaswad cart’s are softer shooting than fibre equivalents - if the OP’s shooting ground will allow.

I have used 24 gram clay cart’s for about the last 10 years. My reasons: they break clays just the same as the 28 grammers; less recoil, better follow up second shots; slightly cheaper; can shoot higher volumes per outing. Wouldn’t even consider 28s these days. Of all the types I’ve tried, Hull ‘Intercomp’ have been the softest shooting. Although, Eley ‘Select’ are very similar. Warning: try to avoid the Italian silly velocity ‘sticks of dynamite’ 24s. They cancel out the usual gains.

I agree with all you have said. However, we may as well sign it as not, and at least try to get rid of their false guru.

Thanks for that - signed it.

Funded by RSPB says it all. No bias interest or whatsoever then…..?!! We need to see ‘clean data’ not campaigning under the guise of science.