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  1. Difficult one that mate. All the brands do high end clay loads just depends on how your gun shoots them. Perceived recoil is as unique to guns and shot pattern. One thing I would suggest is for sure treat yourself but don’t save them for comps. Changing to somthing you’re not used to for competitive use cannot improve results surely
  2. Me personally if I can’t carry it in one trip I’ve got too much. Done the hard slog like a pack mule enough times to have learned it just sickens you more when it’s not a brilliant day and it’s at the back of your mind knowing you have to lug it all back plus Birds. I much prefer the Spartan approach. Get set up quick enjoy the sport, pack up and move spots if needed and can get back to the car easy when I’ve had enough. Might not be as effective but I sure prefer to have a relaxed 20 bird day than a 100 bird day that requires planed logistics
  3. no its just a fact that heavier loads of 6 hit harder than 28g of 7.5 thats just physics. what im saying is their has to be some merit to using clay loads IF you shoot allot of clays with a specific cart and gun combo chances are youre going to be more consistant in terms of range/lead estimation and shot placement than a game cartridge that you may not be as familiar with. making arguably more humane kills and less wounding with clay loads. however a few have stated above, "use whatever is avalible and cheapest". how is just chucking any old cart up at the birds regardless of, shot load, shotsize, speed , pattern, consistancy or familiarity as long as its saving a few quid remotely respectful of quarry?.
  4. well "best cartridge" is a subjective thing really too many variables and it depends on the shooters needs. strangely enough i use eley pigeon hv have got fantastic results for me since they released and the percived recoil is very good given its a fast 32g load downside is only 1 retailer within reasonable driving distance ive always been a strong beliver in respect for the quarry so ive stayed away from the "as cheap as possible" mentality and clay loads for pigeons (not to open that can of worms) but i shoot way more clay pigeons than live ones so in terms of familiarlty with a gun and cart combo, olympic blues are way ahead for me and surely that has to cound for somthing right?. plus they pattern great and being £60 per 1k less is nice as price is getting to be a factor the way theve steadly crept up. i think i am going to give them a try and see if i can kill as cleanly and consistantly as i have been with dedicated pigeon loads.
  5. nah theyve probably not colapsed the poles all the way or pushed them down into the canvas/rubber bottom. you have to kind of pry it open a bit when its new as it pretty robust material and its probably been packed flat for months. when poles are at the bottom i assure you they fit with plenty of room
  6. https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/hunting-hide-carry-bag/_/R-p-180792 i got that along with 4 decathalon hide poles and 4 cross braces. its really good quality. ive also got my bouncer poles and hide gun stand in it with a 1.5x5 rolled up net clipped to the outside of it with the 2 clips on the bottom. the bottom 5 inches is a really tough ruberised canavas or somthing so you dont poke holes in it over time. decathalon/solognac are now my go to pretty much. ive slowly replaced all my pigeon gear with decathalon stuff becasue most of it is cheaper and better quality than the competition and its all got a 2 year no drama replacment warrenty. Need them to just hurry up and bring out a rotary magnet and some 3 ply stealth nets and im gona look sponsored. only downside is the gear is heavier than most stuff and i can imagine that can present an issue to the less physically capable among us or those who trek to the hide location. ive handed jack pyke money for trash for the last time i think. the french have got us totally and utterlly beat on this one it seems the waterfowl and stalking gear is better than anything in its price range aswell
  7. Bit of a head scratcher this one for me. With everyone trying to encourage us to prepare for the transition to none toxic cartridges, the way steel drops off energy faster than lead and thats even allot of shooters are now on the fency about its ethics, i thought it was a given that it was also time to transition away from super high birds aswell. Just seems a bit like a waste of R&D on eleys part bringing out a cartridge aimed at a very small minority of shooters in a world thats got 4 uninterupted covid free seasons if were lucky, 1 or 2 if were not left before its made obsolete by the ban. Top that off with a payload thats pretty much going to obliterate any game shot that isnt a super hight bird, at 425 for 1K i cant see it being a massive hit. Would of been time and money better spent figuring out how to get steel into a fiber cup and keeping it under £300 for pigeon shooters
  8. are the decathalon shell decoys any good?. i know they usually make good gear for the money and the decoys do look good. does anyone know if the shells stack? if they dont it kinda defeats the purpose a bit
  9. can tell you now mate, that has either been imported recently or re proofed you can see some of the original stamps. not to mention that gun hasn't been in production for the last 45 years. not necessarily damaged but possibly refurbed. its a beauty regardless but penny for a pinch of sh... thats been re proofed
  10. does it have no other proof marks on the barrels? america dont proof mark their shotguns so they get done on import. you should have a few different markings. the 3200 stopped getting made as far s im aware some time in the early 80s but CIP stamping didnt really take off in the uk until about 1990. and that LP16 stamp is 2016. how long you had the gunmate?. because thats been reproofed to a minimum standard of about (not exact so might be worth contacting london proof) 850 bar. has it been bulged and fixed?
  11. CIP is the commission Internationale permenente (permanent international commission) its basically a bunch of country's mostly European that agreed on set standards and pressures for small arms and recognise each others proof marks. the proof marks they use are cip followed by a letter that means something. london and birmingham still use their own proof marks too hence why every gun has about 10 symbols on it now CIP N is compulsory minimum standard proof CIP S is Superior CIP fleur de les is steel proof CIP PN is black powder
  12. not somthing ive ever felt i need, but if i was gona camo a gun or any piece of gear id use vet wrap. you can get it in most colours like olive or black may even do a camo version. its basically that stuff they put round horse ankles. a rubberised bandage that clings to itself and not what you wrap. also offers a bit of protection to whatever it wraps. however it might retain water so ill take it of now and then to make sure stuffs not rusting.
  13. Was interested in picking up a dozen. But with the bag being a canny hefty price and me not wanting more to carry anyway do the shells stack like normal shells?. If not what really is the benefit of them over the full body decoys.
  14. i honestly wouldnt go getting a barrel reemed out and threaded then re proofed. be cheaper just to buy a cheap beater. the hatsan escort is 3" and performance steel proofed and dirt cheap
  15. ive got a 3ply 5m stealth net from A1. robust, light, good level of visibility and for me most important it doesn't tangle very much. Army nets were the bane of my life. i wouldn't get too hung up on colour or actual camouflage. your not setting up an SAS OP. as-long as it covers you and breaks up the outline a bit its fine. pigeons will see the hide no problem anyway they just simply haven't got the mental capacity to think "whats in that hide?". "i think therefore i am" is a bit much for bird brains. anything they cannot see at that time doesn't exist
  16. steel deforms less than lead when fired so requires allot less choke because it patterns tighter. unless the choke is stamped steel proof dont go above half choke. even then i really wouldn't recommencement it. a half choke on steel will throw something similar to 3/4 to full in lead so its plenty. another rule of thumb is go 2 shot sizes up so if you use 6 go to the size equivalent of lead 4. now it gets tricky. steel shot is sized smaller than lead so a lead 4 is in fact a steel 5. if you shoot 30g of lead 6, a good pigeon steel load will be something like 32g of steel 5 that will give you roughly the same pellet count and energy per pellet. even then id advise getting a bit of practice in. Not saying steel shoots better or worse than lead(cannot be bothered to get into that again this week) but it is different you definitely need to get used to its velocity curve it seems to start faster than lead then slow down quicker. so close birds need less lead than lead further out need way more. and i think its this not the killing potential that generates hate for steel. People are just not used to its characteristics short version- if you use a standard 30g of 6 pigeon load- use a steel cartridge stamped 32g of 5. 1/4 choke is plenty at decoying ranges if youre roost shooting wear eye protection steel will bounce. dont shoot anything that says high performance on the box if you cant find the fleur de lys (boy scouts badge) stamped on your barrels. and give it more than a box of cartridges before you write it off as trash
  17. i buy more than i shoot thats for sure. if i add it all up and share it all out over the birds ive shot i must be on for about £10-£15 per pigeon. do i shoot no birds or do i buy loads of stuff? not brilliant either way
  18. no doubt you have a great wealth of experience and knowledge. far far more than me by some stretch but unless youre the best at it their is still something to learn form others. even when youre the best you still have have things to be discovered. that im 100% convinced of.
  19. ah thats good to know. however i get a fair bit of amazon vouchers through work so i need to use them up. i got one of your hide gun stands delivered about 20 mins ago and that was ordered at about 8pm on Monday .
  20. so thats it is it?. hasn't been done in the past and we cannot possible learn new things as everything has already been learned.... wasnt until the 70s that it was discovered that birds can see in the UV specturm and even some folks on here have been shooting them since before then. Going back to previous comments in this thread thats also the reason they dont react to decoys or shooters in snow very well. Their already uv sensitive eyes get saturated with UV reflection from the sun on the snow and it blinds them.........snow blind.... its not known if it causes lasting damage. but everyone already knew that didnt they....
  21. for the record i tend to agree with you. nothing in my experience has made me believe blue is bad for shooting pigeons, but are you not even a little curious to find out how this lecturer arrived at such a theory?. i mean its long established pigeons can see ultra violet aka blue light..... maybe its not a case of theyre scared of blue. maybe its something about the blue spectrum through their vision makes it more noticeable or something. i agree with everyone else its about movement but maybe movement is more forgiving in certain colours than others. has anyone ever gone over all their hide and shooting gear with a UV light?. feel pretty daft if it turns out you had something made you glow like a streetlight on your hat that you couldn't see wouldn't it. id like to know more. to just dismiss things out of hand. whats the point in that.
  22. less of a % more of a nice way of saying i dont buy it but im also not pigheaded enough to just dismiss it out of hand. show me the evidence and ill listen to the argument with an open mind. you know the kind of attitude that keeps the human race moving forward.
  23. im not 100% convinced for 3 reasons. 1. blue is a massive spectrum from sky blue to dark navy so its a bit broad a statement to be made if it were true 2. nothing im aware off that pigeons have to fear is blue in their natural environment 3. pigeon themselves are a kind of blue/grey and if anything id think they'd associate certain shades as friendly and safe
  24. im from Sunderland mate youll get little to no joy from just knocking on farmers doors mate most either dont want shooters on the land or already have established people who've been doing it years. i know a few land owners and they get a cold caller about it frequently. All my permissions i got through networking mate, anything to do with shooting im interested so im a member of a practical shotgun team, a small bore rifle club, a clay club and shoot most of the local grounds ive even been to a few of the Newcastle wildflower meets at the golf course. id honestly say youll have more success and a lot less graft by joining a club of some sort and youll get to know people who will invite you or introduce you to people and before long you'll be getting requests. Bonus to that is if its a clay club you can gain allot more skill, making the days you do get on live game pretty fruitful
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