RogerH Posted December 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Well it seems as though its probably down to either a Beretta or a Benelli now, but having read up on the Winchester I think I'll have to add it to my short list in place of the Fabarm. Then there's the Remington. I have good experience of the 870 in the 80s and 90s and found it to be bullet proof, but none of the 1100 semi. No one has really mentioned the Browning either, is that because they are krap? They do seem to be cheaper than the direct competition - are they made in Belgium or Japan? Perhaps they are made in Turkey at that price I dont know... I have never seen one in the flesh and there don't seem to be too many on Gun Trader. So I am going to try and get round a few shops and at least handle as many as possible with a view to buying in the New Year. Gun fit of course will have to be the over riding factor in any case. Many thanks for all the replies to date. Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Winchester is Browning! check out the Browning more features than the Winchester Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I have owned about a dozen different makes of auto and shot considerably more. A shooting mate has a Beretta Teknys Gold which jammed on every outing - he has stopped using it. Older Berettas seem better made, with sturdier parts, Graham - who runs Gundeals - is a good mate and I have used his Benelli - reliable, well made, but too much recoil for me. Fabarm - best put togther auto I have owned, but that was 20 years ago. Winchester X2 - best value for money of the lot. Remington - had quite a few - best handling auto by a mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anni Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Beretta AL 391 Teknys Stonecoat................. :o If only you could get a Benelli forend to fit Now that would be perfection If a teknys is jamming there something wrong with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 There is something wrong with it - the carrier that flicks the second shell up is made from tinfoil and keeps twisting. The older part was more rigid. The receiver corroded rather quickly and had to be replaced - took about 9 months. Other than that, it looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 don't dismiss the Franci 712 raptor,made by benilli and beretta,it's even got Benilli on the side,i'm getting used to it and it's not jammed once ,even on 67mm 21 grams,carts,it's got a nice finish too,did a bit of reserce into it b4 i bought it and seems like a good gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the great roberto Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I own a teknys gold sporting and a super black eagle 2. Very different guns. The Beretta did have an issue with failing to feed the second shot. Changed teh carrier and has not missed a beat in 2000 shots. However,it is a great clay gun at 8lbs, but way to heavy for field use. The Benelli is a great field gun and useless for clays ( doesn't like 28g shells). If I had to buy just one gun, then I'd try an M2. Otherwise Teknys for clay and SBE2 for fiels and fouling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW80 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I have a beretta 391 and can't fault it, had one jam first day i owned it, it's 4 years old now touch wood it hasn't missed a beat, i have recently put 100 21g shells thru it on a skeet range and it cycled them no probs, only thing i would say is go for a synthetic stock as the wood stock does mark very easy. I have shot duck on the foreshore, pigeon,pheasants and clays with it great gun and it was cheap when i bought it £810 new, unfortunatley prices have risen quite a bit since then! PS I have 2 mates who have changed from Benelli to Beretta recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 i had a benelli montefeltro, i reckon benellis are one of the best semi autos - very lightweight, the recoil wasnt too bad, not too pricesy compared to others, and imo very pointable guns. the only thing was it hated 28g 7.5's with a passion, refused to cycle the 2nd shot half the time, and i also found that it needed alot of cleaning to keep it working right, a full strip down and clean usually after 3/4 days hunting or after every day i had it at the clays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 i had a benelli montefeltro, i reckon benellis are one of the best semi autos - very lightweight, the recoil wasnt too bad, not too pricesy compared to others, and imo very pointable guns. the only thing was it hated 28g 7.5's with a passion, refused to cycle the 2nd shot half the time, and i also found that it needed alot of cleaning to keep it working right, a full strip down and clean usually after 3/4 days hunting or after every day i had it at the clays This is not a very good advertisement for Benelli I would not put up with that sort of hassle, that's why I shoot an Urika2 :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 This is not a very good advertisement for Benelli I would not put up with that sort of hassle, that's why I shoot an Urika2 :o and thats why i got rid of it and now use mossberg pump actions B) na dont get me wrong, it was great for rough shooting, easy to carry all day, etc, but it let itself down bucketfulls when it came to clays - only i had the mossberg with me at an informal competition i was at at the start of the year i would have crashed and burned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelli montefeltro Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 luckily i have had no such problems with my monte that babby refers to. one of its selling points is the lack of cleaning, yet he has to clean his after every use, maybe he got a dud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I have aBenelli M2 & shot thousands of rounds with it, it will cycle 28g 7.5 felt wad clay rounds all day without a problem, it also works with 24g but does have trouble with 21g loads. The thing about the inertia system is in order to function you need to "get behind" the gun a little, if your very soft shouldered & you allow the gun to move you to easily under recoil then the gun can sometimes fail to cycle properly, I see it happen mostly where shooters try to hold it quartered away as you would a rifle, get a more straight/square on stance & the gun will work better for you. N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Winchester SX3 or the Fabarm, both very good guns and a lot cheaper than the benellis etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 well i have a sx2 winny and it is superb.i`m also in the throws of buying another 712 raptor,another sleeper gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) Theres always a browning silver or the browning fusion gold, I owned a silver for years, superb piece of kit, never missed a beat, cycle anything down to 21g.I have fired the gold fusion wich is the silvers replacement and its every bit as good and has a rib for clays etc...theres one for sale on the airgunbbs.Virtually no recoil and superfast firing speed. Edited December 22, 2009 by Evil Elvis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Franchi Raptor is a great gun and mine never missed a beat, quite soft recoil if that's what you want but the barrel started to rust as soon as it went anywhere near the foreshore. I px'd it for a Benelli M2 and up 'til now it's been faultless, it is light to carry, hard wearing, doesn't mind getting covered in mud, cycles anything i've tried from 28-42grm etc. and is very pointable. I would say it might be best to try for fit as with any gun though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumacher Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 sx3 flanigun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) Xtrema 2 all day long ........ unless you wanna save a bit more and get thee best semi auto EVER built . . . http://www.gmk.co.uk/index.php?p=news&id=48 Edited December 20, 2009 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Another vote for the SX3 Flanigun - only gun I shoot now, everything else stays in the cabinet better get rid of them then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardwoods Green Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 I have had a number of autos over the years so feel fairly qualified to answer this question lol! Remington are at least 20 years behind with their technology plus Edgar Brothers are less than useless when it comes to getting well.... anything! They were however a good gun in their day. Had an SX3 and it went back after 25 shots, barrel was heavily pitted due to not being chromed at all, Browning refused to swap it!! The only decent Browning auto ever built was athe B80 which Beretta built for them, all the modern ones are built in Portugal and feel flimsy and tinny! Had a friend that bought a Fabarm and irt worked and shot well, he did however get well and truly shafted when he part exchanged it! Had loads of Berettas, 303 remains the best, AL30 was good, have had 3 0r 4 AL391's and only one of them worked faultlessly, got tittsed off with all the cleaning, very rough bolt action, constant jams etc. Now have and love a Benelli Supersport and this is IMO by far the best semi auto on the market and I would never touch another 391 now I have this To answer all the Benelli haters...... 1. An inertia operated auto is going to have some level of recoil so if it has a wooden stock put a Kick-EEz on it 2.The comfortech models are very low recoil 3.The guy with the the Montefeltro saying it wouldn.t cycle 28 gr 7.5's is utter tosh, saying he had to clean it all the time is even bigger tosh!! There is nothing to clean inside one and if it wouldnt cycle those shells it would almost certainly be a broken recoil spring. The chances are that if you buy a Benelli you will never need another auto!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelli montefeltro Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 i agree! he must have got a dud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil smith Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 (edited) The chances are that if you buy a Benelli you will never need another auto!! HG The PSG guys both here in the UK & certainly in europe are firmly in the Benelli camp, no other gun has proved as reliable as them up to yet & we shoot many thousands of rounds per year of birdshot, slug & buckshot. What sorts the wheat from the chaff is the constant ammo changes during a match, shooting slugs & then moving to the next stage which may be birdshot has caused many a problem for a "gas gunner" lead builds up on the gas parts when shooting slugs & then the light birdshot rounds fail to cycle the gas guns after unless you clean it, which is a major pain in the butt in the middle of a competition not to mention a dirty job. However the Benelli can handle the same situation with ease because all the fouling goes out of the barrel & no gas or gunk can get back into the gun to stop it working, so with the inertia system there is a lot less to go wrong & a lot less to clean also with the comfortech stock on its a pussycat to shoot. Dont tell everyone though because we still need people to buy our old gas auto's, or we wont be able to sell off all the other mistakes we bought over the years up until we found the Benelli. Merry Xmas N Edited December 21, 2009 by neil smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 I love my Winchester SX3-Fastest Shotgun on the Planet-FACT! Nah! The 60year-old Winchester models 50/59 are FASTER!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Beretta's new UGB sporting for me... Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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