Bazooka Joe Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 The only exception to this "rule" should be for beaters day. Why just beaters day ? BJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Potter Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Why just beaters day ? BJ. I think it would be grossly unfair to preclude a person from beaters day just because he or she shot with a semi auto. As I said earlier I don't believe there is a safety issue but I do agree 100% with the posters who pointed out that just because a gun of whatever configuration is in a slip it's safe, it could well still be loaded. The three shot argument shouldn't hold much argument either, if a s/a is to be used the shoot captain or host could easily request no more than 2 shots. I would disagree with the posters arguing that it's a snobbery thing, there's a big differance between tradition & snobbery Mr Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 as has been said before (both in here and in previous arguments) if youre sticking to tradition surely you should only be using a s/s blackpowder hammer gun, not even an o/u??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 as has been said before (both in here and in previous arguments) if youre sticking to tradition surely you should only be using a s/s blackpowder hammer gun, not even an o/u??? Exactly and you should be sending small children up chimneys you snobby gets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 If you've not even got the decency to pay £100 for a cheap sbs or o/u when you're invited on a driven day, you shouldn't bother going. If I had a shoot and someone had the audacity to turn up with a S/A I'd ask them to not bother coming back. Yes, O/U have steadily been accepted into driven days as there was a time when they were frowned upon. However they still hold the basic idea of a gun which uses a firing pin and ejectors. The idea of taking a mechanical self loading gun on a formal day is ridiculous. Even the thought of someone having to put a flag in the breech and express extra caution makes me cringe. It's almost like walking through a crowded area doing something that's out of place and people stare at you because it's just odd. I genuinely don't care if people disagree with me and there's no way you'll change my opinion. Do those who disagree with me also believe that it's fine to take a pump action on a driven day?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 (edited) yep in fact a pump action is probably safer than a s/a - just rack the slide back and no way its gonna fire, nice and seemples - in fact you can leave it like that in the slip, so in that respect s/a and p/a's are probably safer than o/u's and s/s, which have to be closed (and ergo cocked) to be stored in the slip :beer: ps - pumps were developed looong before s/a's, so in that respect they should be more acceptable too... Edited December 25, 2009 by babbyc1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouch valley Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 I agree with you totally harfordwmj any body turning up on my driven days with a s/a would be asked to watch or leave there is no place for them on a game day. And as for snobbery im just an average working man I don't earn a lot but I still have respect for my game there is nothing snobby about me. I even own a s/a great gun for vermin shooting I use it to shoot rabbits from along side the combine in fact mine is a fac version. As for pump actions well next you will want to use them wearing camouflage on a game day its just not done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 as has been said before (both in here and in previous arguments) if youre sticking to tradition surely you should only be using a s/s blackpowder hammer gun, not even an o/u??? Over and unders have been around for nearly 100 years woodward made their first over and under in 1913 before being absorbed into Purdey and i think that gives them some age as well as when they were developed thats well before clay shooting really happened so the must have been developed for game hence they are okay but a side by side is always better. George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 If you've not even got the decency to pay £100 for a cheap sbs or o/u when you're invited on a driven day, you shouldn't bother going. If I had a shoot and someone had the audacity to turn up with a S/A I'd ask them to not bother coming back. Yes, O/U have steadily been accepted into driven days as there was a time when they were frowned upon. However they still hold the basic idea of a gun which uses a firing pin and ejectors. The idea of taking a mechanical self loading gun on a formal day is ridiculous. Even the thought of someone having to put a flag in the breech and express extra caution makes me cringe. It's almost like walking through a crowded area doing something that's out of place and people stare at you because it's just odd. I genuinely don't care if people disagree with me and there's no way you'll change my opinion. Do those who disagree with me also believe that it's fine to take a pump action on a driven day?? And do you wear all the traditional clothing ie hobnail boots and Victorian **** or do you opt for something more modern and practical? The Decency to spend money on impressing some stuck up get? You snob, perhaps in this climate they don't have that luxury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 I remember writing to the Shooting Times years ago about a so called Gun walking amongst other people with his closed gun over his arm and how unsafe it was, as no one knew whether it was loaded or not. Can you not remember Prince Edward trying to control a dog with a closed gun, what's the difference between a closed S/S or a semi auto safety wise? You see photos of Guns resting closed guns on their hip pointing at the sky. You could do that with a semi auto too. I am glad that I do not go game shooting as I would most likely end up upsetting too many Guns commenting about unsafe gun handling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 I remember writing to the Shooting Times years ago about a so called Gun walking amongst other people with his closed gun over his arm and how unsafe it was, as no one knew whether it was loaded or not. Can you not remember Prince Edward trying to control a dog with a closed gun, what's the difference between a closed S/S or a semi auto safety wise? You see photos of Guns resting closed guns on their hip pointing at the sky. You could do that with a semi auto too. I am glad that I do not go game shooting as I would most likely end up upsetting too many Guns commenting about unsafe gun handling. As has been said before the safety argument is a smoke screen to cover up the snobbisheness. If you don't trust some one to shoot with, send them home with their gun, whatever design it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Semi auto's / pumps should be guns used to control vermin & clays... They simply have no place in the line of a driven day. If you walked into the local golf club wearing jeans and trainers, you'd be shown the door - and the same should carry over with regards to game shooting with semi automatic firearms. It's a sport steeped in tradition. Tradition of which we are proud - If anyone is in any doubt regarding the use of semi auto shotguns on a driven day, they should take 10 mins looking at some of the American Pheasant days on youtube, where 10 shots at a passing Pheasant is a startling reality.... Thank god for tweed & a bit of tact. Gun wielding, cammo clad "warriors" brandishing self loading "tactical" weapons, should remain at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Whats tactical about a 3 shot semi auto? I take it that you do not shoot with a pair of guns and a loader, their firepower far exceeds any thing else. Regarding golf clubs in today's present financial climate I should imagine you might be welcomed with open arms as long as you are clean and tidy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 (edited) Semi auto's / pumps should be guns used to control vermin & clays... They simply have no place in the line of a driven day. If you walked into the local golf club wearing jeans and trainers, you'd be shown the door - and the same should carry over with regards to game shooting with semi automatic firearms. It's a sport steeped in tradition. Tradition of which we are proud - If anyone is in any doubt regarding the use of semi auto shotguns on a driven day, they should take 10 mins looking at some of the American Pheasant days on youtube, where 10 shots at a passing Pheasant is a startling reality.... Thank god for tweed & a bit of tact. Gun wielding, cammo clad "warriors" brandishing self loading "tactical" weapons, should remain at home. Then please don't try to hide your tradition/snobbishness behind the guise of the "safety" argumemt. And make sure EVERYONE attending your shoots is attired correctly with no Goretex or Realtree in evidence. And pray tell how do you carry YOUR gun any differently to the "wielder" and what makes him a "warrior" as opposed to you the "sportsman" other than your snotty attitude. Edited December 26, 2009 by fullbore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Incredible........do people like this really exist in the shooting world, and why do they all seem to live "Oop North"..?? Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nice one Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 dell boy took his ............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody4x4 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 2 carts only and slip it no problems with me, i was on a skeet game once and two blokes was shareing a semi and a few of us noticed between them they had some how got 3 in the gun..that was scarey but the man in charge of us, with the clip board did'nt know till the third one went off.. after a missed clay..but thats not the guns fault.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Sorry to say this gents, but it won`t be long before lead shot is completely banned. In which case we`ll all be using modern guns made from high tech materials and capable of handling the less expensive non toxic alternatives when shooting in volume. Might as well get used to seeing semi auto`s in the game shooting field now as later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 (edited) You snob, perhaps in this climate they don't have that luxury As has been said before the safety argument is a smoke screen to cover up the snobbisheness. And pray tell how do you carry YOUR gun any differently to the "wielder" and what makes him a "warrior" as opposed to you the "sportsman" other than your snotty attitude. HAHAHAHAHA, please, please don't make me laugh any more. You're actually making me cringe and laugh at the same time B) I dare you to turn up to a black tie/formal meeting/funeral/wedding/etc etc wearing a hood and jeans. It's just not the done thing. Nor is a semi auto on a driven day. You don't have to be snobby to own an o/u or a sbs and I can guarantee you that you can get hold of these much much cheaper that a S/A. If you can't afford sub £100 for a gun, then borrow one. If I was invited on a driven day and I didn't have the 'correct' gun, I would ask. I'm pretty sure a few of my mates who shoot would be happy to lend me their gun for the day. However if you've got the money to pay for a day's shooting, you've got the money to buy a proper gun. Garyb is spot on and I can assure you that he is far from 'snobbish' Say what you like, but S/A's are unsafe within a crowded environment, look like a 'warrior's' gun and make the shooter look like they have no respect for the tradition of a driven day. There is no snobbishness there, just respect for the privilege that you are allowed to shoot game birds on a farmer's land. Edited December 26, 2009 by harfordwmj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 HAHAHAHAHA, please, please don't make me laugh any more. You're actually making me cringe and laugh at the same time B) I dare you to turn up to a black tie/formal meeting/funeral/wedding/etc etc wearing a hood and jeans. I have seen people who cannot afford a suit wear jeans and a shirt at a wedding and a funeral, it's called respect and they cannot help it if they do not have the money. Say what you like, but S/A's are unsafe within a crowded environment, look like a 'warrior's' gun I would have thought that a clay shooting ground would have more people than a farmers field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 A valid argument you have there blaserF3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 (edited) "I have seen people who cannot afford a suit wear jeans and a shirt at a wedding and a funeral, it's called respect and they cannot help it if they do not have the money. I would have thought that a clay shooting ground would have more people than a farmers field." I do not believe that we live in a world where someone cannot afford a suit or something formal. If I needed to dress up for something and I couldn't afford the clothes, I would beg, steal and borrow to ensure I was correctly dressed. Really not sure what you're on about "I would have thought that a clay shooting ground would have more people than a farmers field" Edited December 26, 2009 by harfordwmj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 You said that in a crowded environment that a semi auto is unsafe, at a clay shoot there are a lot more people about. We do live in a world where there are a lot of unemployed teenagers about who are on benefits and they go to any formal occasion in the smartest clothes that they posses for everyday wear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 I agree with you totally harfordwmj any body turning up on my driven days with a s/a would be asked to watch or leave there is no place for them on a game day. And as for snobbery im just an average working man I don't earn a lot but I still have respect for my game there is nothing snobby about me. I even own a s/a great gun for vermin shooting I use it to shoot rabbits from along side the combine in fact mine is a fac version. As for pump actions well next you will want to use them wearing camouflage on a game day its just not done. Tell me this; how do you have more respect for your game by using a S/S or O/U for shooting game rather than a Semi-Auto? A Semi-Auto is in essence a lot safer in the slip than a S/S or O/U as the bolt can be open in the slip whereas the double barreled guns have to be closed. As for wearing jeans and trainers at a golf club; I am a member of a golf club and quite a lot of the clubs I play at wouldn't mind at all, its only the snobby golf clubs that frown upon it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 (edited) You said that in a crowded environment that a semi auto is unsafe, at a clay shoot there are a lot more people about. We do live in a world where there are a lot of unemployed teenagers about who are on benefits and they go to any formal occasion in the smartest clothes that they posses for everyday wear. They make me feel nervous wherever I see one, when irrisponsible owners swing them around parallel to the ground, and before anyone starts I couldnt give a toss if the bolts back or theres a flag in it, how can you see that from 50 yards away. Of course in the right hands they are as safe as any other gun, if held properly or slipped when not in use. Edited December 26, 2009 by libs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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