Paddy Galore! Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Get down on hands and knees and beg for forgiveness. but only if i thought it was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 We will all be reincarnated as Pigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Non believer......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 i was brought up very religious ........... and all those endless and boring sermons gave me plenty of time to read the bible several times and arm myself with enough knowledge to slay the most feverant christian ........... you can go on about free will and him giving us a choice, but he didnt. technically theres no such thing, because god is omnipotent and knows everything he knew full well that mixing those 3 ingredients together would mean id be out shooting quite alot, so therefore i have nothing to justify - he made me like this, he knew id turn out like this, so how can he have a go at me?? So if God didn`t (technically) give humans free will (choice) and he is omnipotent then he knows what you will do. Therefore you aren`t, by your aguement, in charge of your life and he is, fully. I would think that by your life style you have a lot to thank God for, and that he isn`t having a go at you......or have I got that wrong ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) So if God didn`t (technically) give humans free will (choice) and he is omnipotent then he knows what you will do. Therefore you aren`t, by your aguement, in charge of your life and he is, fully. I would think that by your life style you have a lot to thank God for, and that he isn`t having a go at you......or have I got that wrong ? yes and no, youre missing what im getting at. God, as per the christian faith, is omnipotent, therefore he knows everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen in the future, am i correct? forgive me but being brought up presbyterian i/we believe in pre-determination (like fate, only God says what will happen). on top of that God made me (again as per the christian faith), so therefore all my urges, likes, dislikes, redeeming features (or feature i should say) and all my bad qualities were made by God. SO God made me as i am, and he knows exactly how my life will turn out, because its his will that its turning out like this. THEREFORE i feel no need to thank God, or being greatful for anything. Because i am not saved, I am going to Hell (as per the christian faith) due to the way i live my life, especially with the young lady who is currently upstairs enjoying a shower while i enjoy a few vodkas... anyway, getting side tracked - BUT i am not saved, and live my life the way i do, because God has pre-ordained that this is how my life will be led. getting back to the original topic, God gave me the gift of a love/knowledge of firearms. he gave me the ability to use them to reasonable effect, and he gave me the will to do just that. he already knew i would spend most of my spare time shooting, because he made me this way - so what is there to apologise/thank him about, if i am leading my life using the gifts he gave me, in the way that he wanted and foresaw?? Edited January 5, 2010 by babbyc1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorn Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 not got that problem sold my sole years ago i myself will be going where the ladys of the night end up hope fully with a ******* big credit card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 how are you going to justify your actions when you meet your maker? I already know what he thinks, he's told me many times over and is disgusted that I have ever taken part in it which he relishes in telling me. Mum on the other hand is quite understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 not got that problem sold my sole years ago How much did you get for the fish then.....or was it the lower section of your shoe ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 I already know what he thinks, he's told me many times over and is disgusted that I have ever taken part in it which he relishes in telling me. Mum on the other hand is quite understanding. You might find out that they share the same sense of love and forgiving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 yes and no, youre missing what im getting at. God, as per the christian faith, is omnipotent, therefore he knows everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen in the future, am i correct? forgive me but being brought up presbyterian i/we believe in pre-determination (like fate, only God says what will happen). on top of that God made me (again as per the christian faith), so therefore all my urges, likes, dislikes, redeeming features (or feature i should say) and all my bad qualities were made by God. SO God made me as i am, and he knows exactly how my life will turn out, because its his will that its turning out like this. Not quite that simple babby, you are a product of your environment aswell, also "GOD" doesn't necessarily "make" you do everything you do, according to the bible we are given free will, that means we have a choice. Just because God knows what you'll do doesn't mean that he made you do it. You bad boy! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 the only good thing religion is for, is justification of wars. I read that 50% of hospitals worldwde we set up or are run by believers, so it's not the only good thing. Nial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 true religion only becomes flawed by the people that follow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Gettin, a real challenging conversation !!!! yes and no, youre missing what im getting at. God, as per the christian faith, is omnipotent, therefore he knows everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen in the future, am i correct? forgive me but being brought up presbyterian i/we believe in pre-determination (like fate, only God says what will happen). With you so far, please continue on top of that God made me (again as per the christian faith), so therefore all my urges, likes, dislikes, redeeming features (or feature i should say) and all my bad qualities were made by God. SO God made me as i am, and he knows exactly how my life will turn out, because its his will that its turning out like this. THEREFORE i feel no need to thank God, or being greatful for anything. Because i am not saved,(How can you know that, as God can only know that, as per the above/) I am going to Hell (as per the christian faith) due to the way i live my life,(Wrong, you only need to TRULY believe in Jesus Christ) especially with the young lady who is currently upstairs enjoying a shower while i enjoy a few vodkas... anyway, getting side tracked - BUT i am not saved,(Not at this moment, but again how do you know ? There may be a road to Damascus coming around the bend for you !) and live my life the way i do, because God has pre-ordained that this is( At this moment in time !) how my life will be led. getting back to the original topic, God gave me the gift of a love/knowledge of firearms. he gave me the ability to use them to reasonable effect, and he gave me the will (I thought you believed in "Pre-ordination" ?"to do just that. he already knew i would spend most of my spare time shooting, because he made me this way - so what is there to apologise/thank him about,(That`s something that is another basic doctrine) if i am leading my life using the gifts he gave me, in the way that he wanted and foresaw??(Unfortunately it isn`t all to do with you, there could be someone in your life, or in the life of someone close to you, or even a complete stranger that will turn your life completely on end, how can you know if it is pre-ordained ? Life is a journey, just pick the right passengers to travel with you !) He still Loves you and just by sharing your thoughts you have encouraged me ! Thanks babby !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 You might find out that they share the same sense of love and forgiving Not likely H, my Dad has already called me every name under the sun for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 My biggest problem with christianity is how often it contradicts itself. Not only that, but take the christmas story for instance. matthew 1:18 "This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit." (the king james version, if you prefer) "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost" Hold the phone right there, seriously?? Anyone think of any alternative?? I live in a religious household, my parents are devout, and drag me to church every week. In the run up to christmas, the pastor took three 1 1/2 hour sermons, and used them to explain the significance of this. I can summarise it much faster, "out of wedlock affair". Job done. Now, I'm sorry to the christians out there, but I have to say it. The whole coming of christ story fell flat on it's face before it ever began. Organised Religion, a means of controlling populations that know no better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysecretlife Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 I'm an atheist - thank god! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 You wont need to justify your actions because you wont meet your maker. There will be a 12ft pigeon waiting for you at the gates to peck your eyes out and rip your head off for killing him and all his mates. Just you wait and see. Putting aside the interesting theological and philosophical discussion for one moment, that made me proper, spray the keyboard with coffee, laugh out loud so hard a little bit of wee made an unscheduled appearance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyr8 Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 which religion gets the best holidays holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 I'm an atheist - thank god! that seems the easiest way, a lot less hassle. I did notice tho, back in 2007 i had a major op, it was surprising to see quite a few people in the ward were quite keen to get "reaquainted" with God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 .......I can summarise it much faster, "out of wedlock affair". Job done. Now, I'm sorry to the christians out there, but I have to say it. The whole coming of christ story fell flat on it's face before it ever began. Organised Religion, a means of controlling populations that know no better So that means both Joseph and Mary were lied to ? Remember they were betrothed and that was more binding than it is now and required that Joseph "divorce" her and he was going to sign the [apers and therefore not have her stoned publically. Now this has many problems, why would Joseph, if he was a cuckold, want to divorce Mary ? In those times he would have been more than likely to have let her be publically stoned perhaps it was because he didn`t do the deed and neither did he believe that Mary would and as both were devout then they both believed each other and the angel Gabrielle ! without this then it all falls, or does it ? all of the above was foretold in the OT. Check it out, just because a Pastor cannot explain it to you doesn`t mean it isn`t true, how are you with books/lectures on genetics/singularities........ ? Take a bit of time, talk to others and don`t reject things on just one persons take on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 which religion gets the best holidays holidays. Sepulchre of the divine repetition, mate ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V3 Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 whats the law on fully automatics and hand guns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 whats the law on fully automatics and hand guns? Where? In heaven? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Not quite that simple babby, you are a product of your environment aswell, also "GOD" doesn't necessarily "make" you do everything you do, according to the bible we are given free will, that means we have a choice. Just because God knows what you'll do doesn't mean that he made you do it. You bad boy! lol because its predetermined by God what will happen (as per christian faith) i have no free will, so God made me do it Gettin, a real challenging conversation !!!! yes and no, youre missing what im getting at. God, as per the christian faith, is omnipotent, therefore he knows everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen in the future, am i correct? forgive me but being brought up presbyterian i/we believe in pre-determination (like fate, only God says what will happen). With you so far, please continue on top of that God made me (again as per the christian faith), so therefore all my urges, likes, dislikes, redeeming features (or feature i should say) and all my bad qualities were made by God. SO God made me as i am, and he knows exactly how my life will turn out, because its his will that its turning out like this. THEREFORE i feel no need to thank God, or being greatful for anything. Because i am not saved,(How can you know that, as God can only know that, as per the above/) I am going to Hell (as per the christian faith) due to the way i live my life,(Wrong, you only need to TRULY believe in Jesus Christ) especially with the young lady who is currently upstairs enjoying a shower while i enjoy a few vodkas... anyway, getting side tracked - BUT i am not saved,(Not at this moment, but again how do you know ? There may be a road to Damascus coming around the bend for you !) and live my life the way i do, because God has pre-ordained that this is( At this moment in time !) how my life will be led. getting back to the original topic, God gave me the gift of a love/knowledge of firearms. he gave me the ability to use them to reasonable effect, and he gave me the will (I thought you believed in "Pre-ordination" ?"to do just that. he already knew i would spend most of my spare time shooting, because he made me this way - so what is there to apologise/thank him about,(That`s something that is another basic doctrine) if i am leading my life using the gifts he gave me, in the way that he wanted and foresaw??(Unfortunately it isn`t all to do with you, there could be someone in your life, or in the life of someone close to you, or even a complete stranger that will turn your life completely on end, how can you know if it is pre-ordained ? Life is a journey, just pick the right passengers to travel with you !) He still Loves you and just by sharing your thoughts you have encouraged me ! Thanks babby !!! hd, firstly youre right, there may be a road to damascus around the corner for me, who knows? but as for the bit about "will", yes, i was brought up to believe in preordanation (its necessary to remember i do not believe in God anymore, and believe organised religion is nothing more than a form of control necessary in barbarian times), using the term "will" was a bad choice of words, but in this context it is different from "free will", instead of will perhaps i should have said urge. also, i was taught that to be saved you must believe in God/jesus, ask him into youre heart AND also ask himto forgive your sins. But as ive already stated, i dont believe ive sinned, simpy because God made me like this, and everything I do is his will. So either we have it wrong, and God isnt as omnipotent as he's made out to be (then were all screwed), or there is no such thing as free will, as God has preordained it already now, just to throw something else into the mix, which everyone has missed. how many commandments do you break? i break one quite alot, the one which says "Thou shalt NOT kill". i dont remember the bible limiting it to people? so technically hd, you could be breaking one of the main commandments just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqwelchy Posted January 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 This has become a right bible bashing topic . Its all confussing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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