dirtydawk Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Hi guys, I own a 10/22 which I use as a gallery gun on a 25mtr range in the club I am a member of. All I have had done to it is have an Auto Bolt Release fitted and I have fitted a Volquarsen Extractor Claw myself. Having looked extensively on the web and also seeing other club members "tricked out" Rugers I am at a total loss to explain/understand why people would go to so much expense to fit new barrels, triggers kits etc to try and obtain the type of accuracy which is obtainable by a CZ452 straight out of the box (I also own a CZ452) This is by no means a rant or a cheap shot at the people who choose to spend hundreds of pounds on ruger bling, I am merely trying to understand what it is I am missing about the whole affair. I have recently decided to chop my ruger in against a GSG-5 SD as I still want a semi auto for gallery shooting but I fancy a bit of a change and I think you'll all agree they look impressive! Cheers Ian Edited February 2, 2010 by dirtydawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 I class my 10/22 as a 'fun gun' (when target shooting) and also a serious tool for controlling vermin, mainly squirrels and crow's. I've spent some money changing bits, ie, trigger, hogue stock (recommended) extended mag release etc, but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 They use them in serious competions and the Rugers are considered the best gun for the job. These boys spend thousands on their guns so they must think its worth it. However they are a great fun gun as well in standard trim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 I bought a 10/22 T, perfect out of the box and well known for it, match chamber and a .920" barrel with extended mag release, it is accurate as anything and all i did was change the laminate stock for a £100 synthetic shooters ridge thumbhole stock becasue of wet weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 (edited) I think it is down to personal taste and the simple fact that the Ruger 10/22 is so "Customisable". Just out of interest, has there been any accuracy comparison tests between the CZ 452 and the Ruger 10/22 "straight out of the box", if so I would love to hear what the results were? I am in the process of buying a Ruger 10/22 which has been customised (Dragunov Stock etc.) to use mainly for lamping rabbits but also as a "Fun/Plinking Gun". Edited February 3, 2010 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonhunter Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I had a cz varmint 452 16" fitted with a timney trigger , this rifle was really accurate and could get 10p size groups with it at 60 yards with ease , then i bought a ruger 10/22 stainless model with the barrel cut down to 12 1/2" all standard , i changed the mag release and bolt handle and also fitted a buffer and at 60 yards can get same groups as the cz no problem hence the cz is now gone as enjoy using the ruger more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 My carbine has worked fine out of the box however I added auto bolt thing and an extend mag release for ease then fitted a hogue stock as the standard one was a bit short. Gun cost £200 Bits £25 Stock £50 £275 all in and I'm happy. I shoot rabbits and squirrels out to 75 yards happily maybe I got a good one but it's accurate enough for me under 1/2inch group from prone with Winchester Sub X RWS is about the same and Stingers a little larger but under 3/4 inch everytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 (edited) Thanks for that Chard and WelshWarrior, that's what I was hoping to hear. Either way it would not have changed my mind as I have paid a "non-returnable deposit" for mine while I wait for my FAC to come back with the .22 S/A slot opened back up on it. Plus I have tried the Ruger that I am buying and I am well impressed with it! Any feedback or tips for improving accuracy (If that's possible) would be helpful! Edited February 3, 2010 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Boys toy Next question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 ok if you've a serious amount of vermin control to do, know a few keepers who use them hard and ok they won't be that accurate they do let you spray bullets at rabbits till you hit them They seem to get on ok with them as most shooting is 50 yards or less under the lamp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Absolute cobblers, They are as accurate as any other .22 sporting rifle. You can buy all kinds of upgrades for most cars on the road today but do they make the car any faster? I have a 10/22 in bog standard out of the box trim and it is as accurate as anyone elses .22LR. hundreds if not thousands of rabbits would agree if they weren't dead. I am amazed that all these CZ owners never miss. As for 10p sized groups at 60 yards, that is dreadful. 10p sized groups at 100 yards maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonhunter Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 (edited) Absolute cobblers, They are as accurate as any other .22 sporting rifle. You can buy all kinds of upgrades for most cars on the road today but do they make the car any faster? I have a 10/22 in bog standard out of the box trim and it is as accurate as anyone elses .22LR. hundreds if not thousands of rabbits would agree if they weren't dead. I am amazed that all these CZ owners never miss. As for 10p sized groups at 60 yards, that is dreadful. 10p sized groups at 100 yards maybe. Only shoot up to 80 yards with it as have the hmr but to be honest they are probabley more like 5p groups at 60 yards i used 10p as an example as thats my target size for zeroing. Edited February 3, 2010 by chard1981 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Only shoot up to 80 yards with it as have the hmr but to be honest they are probabley more like 5p groups at 60 yards i used 10p as an example as thats my target size for zeroing. Be honest Chard, you only said a 10 pence instead of a 5 pence piece so you didn't look like a "tight a**e". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 both - theyre good fun and more than capable of serious hunting use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonhunter Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 (edited) Be honest Chard, you only said a 10 pence instead of a 5 pence piece so you didn't look like a "tight a**e". Dam you know me to well gonna have to stop posting on this forum ! Accuarcy wise also frenchie dont have any tips to be honest as long as your not rattling them off you should be able to get good groups , though you might want to change the trigger with a drop in kit about £30 i think that will just make the trigger lighter and should help with your accuarcy aswell but up to you , i havnt botherd and you get use to the trigger pull anyway . Edited February 3, 2010 by chard1981 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProteuS Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I bought mine for hunting and think it's a grand tool. It's pretty much as I bought it, it came with a hogue stock which is a nice addition. I modified the bolt release to make it an auto release which is really handy for a 10 min job. The only extra I've bought for it so far is a 25 round TI magasine. I find it great for lamping in so much that a mag lasts an awfully long time and it saves me from having to fumble about to reload in the dark. It's what I take 9 times out of 10 at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 In my experience my CZ Varmint is more accurate than my old SYSS Ruger 10/22. That's not bigging up the CZ, it's a fact. Maybe it's down to the individual rifle? My biggest gripe with the semi auto was getting a jam at the wrong moment. It didn't happen often if I kept it clean but now and again it would fail. I've never had a bolt action jam! On the other hand I've missed a bunny before and by the time I've cycled the bolt it's gone, so you could say that if I still had the 10/22 I could be 99% certain of getting a near instant second shot off and getting it? I'm not an auto fan but I can see why some people like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 (edited) Dam you know me to well gonna have to stop posting on this forum ! Accuarcy wise also frenchie dont have any tips to be honest as long as your not rattling them off you should be able to get good groups , though you might want to change the trigger with a drop in kit about £30 i think that will just make the trigger lighter and should help with your accuarcy aswell but up to you , i havnt botherd and you get use to the trigger pull anyway . I've had the chance to try the 10/22 I am buying (I just have to wait for my FAC to come back with the .22LF S/A slot re-opened on it) and found that the trigger was quite good, so maybe it has had the trigger "worked on" by the previous owner (The gun is just under 1 year old), if not then yes I might well get a trigger kit for it as that would be the most sensible "first move" towards improving accuracy. The gun will be used primarily for lamping rabbits and it does already have a 25 round mag with it as well as the standard 10 round mag, which is great as I find it difficult re-loading small .22LR rounds into magazines in the dark with cold fingers some times especially if I am out on my own and have no-one to hold a small torch for me! With regards to a Semi auto over a bolt action I think they both have their "pros and cons" but the reason I prefer a Semi Auto for lamping with is that I have a second shot recycled and ready without taking the gun off aim should I miss with the first shot! As for, as one poster has put it, "Spraying rabbits with bullets till you hit them," that is not my idea of rabbit shooting and something that I personally would frown on. If I should miss with A follow up shot (Something that I have not done yet) then there is something wrong with either Me or the gun and scopes and I would give up for the night! Thanks everyone for your help and advice! Edited February 4, 2010 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 With regards to a Semi auto over a bolt action I think they both have their "pros and cons" but the reason I prefer a Semi Auto for lamping with is that I have a second shot recycled and ready without taking the gun off aim should I miss with the first shot! There is no discernible recoil with a .22 firing subs, so you can rack another round without your gun off the target. Once you have had a few evenings ruined with jams you will regret the day you didn't buy a b/a (IMO of course) I occasionally shoot with a semi owner, not a Ruger I hasten to add, if we go lamping together he leaves his gun at home and shoots mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 There is no discernible recoil with a .22 firing subs, so you can rack another round without your gun off the target.Once you have had a few evenings ruined with jams you will regret the day you didn't buy a b/a (IMO of course) I occasionally shoot with a semi owner, not a Ruger I hasten to add, if we go lamping together he leaves his gun at home and shoots mine. I agree with what you are saying about the possible "jams" as I am used to using a Semi Auto which did jam occasionally, this is always a potential problem with any semi auto! Whilst the potential is always there for "jams" I believe it can be "minimised" by good gun maintainance and the right choice of ammo to suit your individual rifle. We all have our own opinions which can differ from other's, but wouldn't it be a sad world if we all thought exactly the same and didn't discuss differences of opinions! Thanks for your thoughts and input! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonhunter Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I agree with what you are saying about the possible "jams" as I am used to using a Semi Auto which did jam occasionally, this is always a potential problem with any semi auto! Whilst the potential is always there for "jams" I believe it can be "minimised" by good gun maintainance and the right choice of ammo to suit your individual rifle.We all have our own opinions which can differ from other's, but wouldn't it be a sad world if we all thought exactly the same and didn't discuss differences of opinions! Thanks for your thoughts and input! I agree , when i first got it i noticed it would only jam if the mags started building up with **** so i always keep them clean and give them a brush off when i get home from using them and now dont suffer with it , like you said its all about gun maintainance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Just out of interest Chard, can you say what ammunition you 10/22 perferes please? I have always used Remington Subsonics in my Winchester 190 without many problems! (I am only interested in subsonics as I will be using a moderator with the 10/22) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6br Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 A mate of mine had one and I fitted an up grade trigger and bolt buffer and a few other mods and it still didn't shoot any were near as good as a CZ varmint, I told him not to bye one and he would not listen and he only had it for 3 weeks and I said to him by the time you have up graded every thing you might as well bye a top shelf bolt action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonhunter Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Just out of interest Chard, can you say what ammunition you 10/22 perferes please? I have always used Remington Subsonics in my Winchester 190 without many problems! (I am only interested in subsonics as I will be using a moderator with the 10/22) I can cycle cci subs and winchester subs with no problem winchester been the most accurate but cci good aswell and cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stet Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 i use mine mainly for hunting vermin some target and maybe jams once every two to three hundred shots had a cz but was a bit bland ruger a lot more fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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