Sinistercr0c Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8512438.stm I hope they catch the ******** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Must ave been deliberate, sick &&&&&&&&. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 or accidental by someone inexperienced shooting geese. looks like the biggest mistake was not disposing of them properly as looks like they killed them cleanly enough. They are intimating it was before the season for inland ducks and geese ended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Yeah but swans and geese look nothing alike, if you cant id yoy dont shoot. i spent hours on the marsh learnind my ids before i was allowed to shoot. To get that pattern, very close with a lot of choke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaikalsRule90 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 hope they catch the ********, though the quote... "It is a completely mindless act to shoot at wild birds" do you reckon that he was on about shooting of illegal wild birds or the shooting of wild birds in general i.e pigeons ect... even so not doing great things for the sports future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) Yeah but swans and geese look nothing alike, if you cant id yoy dont shoot. i spent hours on the marsh learnind my ids before i was allowed to shoot. To get that pattern, very close with a lot of choke... you're only 17 so it can't have been many years Just saying that it looks accidental to me rather than necessarily a malicious act, last light with birds flighting in it wouldn't be the first time a mistake had been made. looks like it was a suitable sized load but wrong species. That doesn't condone it one bit but just suggesting what the likely course of events were, very few shotgun shooters deliberately shoot swans Edited February 12, 2010 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 It would a very strange mistake to hide them next to a well used path . It could be they where planted by somebody to try and stir up trouble no names implied just a thought. Regards OTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Is it just my eyes or does that look like a clay load shot..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambu13 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 yea i would never shoot swans, there are far too many owls to be dealing with as it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Is it just my eyes or does that look like a clay load shot..... its quite a heavy load if you think how large a swans body is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 you're only 17 so it can't have been many years Just saying that it looks accidental to me rather than necessarily a malicious act, last light with birds flighting in it wouldn't be the first time a mistake had been made. looks like it was a suitable sized load but wrong species. That doesn't condone it one bit but just suggesting what the likely course of events were, very few shotgun shooters deliberately shoot swans Dad took me down the mash every time he went from the age of six. I did not start shooting down there till i was thirteen, valid point al4x, but if i could not identify what i was shooting i would not shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesLeic Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) Is it just my eyes or does that look like a clay load shot..... agreed ...doesnt quite stack to me you dont take out swans (large birds) with small pellet sized loads id have thought if this was deliberate id be looking at a load of 1 or bb (they are after all even bigger than geese about 5* bigger and heavier to be exact) since once you shoot one even if it s a courting pair id expect the other to atleast start flying around like mad and i would think it hard to drop a swan in flight with small shot like that (it looks like a load of 6 to me). Edited February 12, 2010 by JamesLeic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 would a clay load even penetrate the feathers and down though, I know the last greylag i had the pleasure of being given looked like it had been machinegunned and that was with steel 5's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJN Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 misleading article, "they have been shot over and over again", yet all we see is what we assume to be shotgun pellets in the xray, yes it's wrong to shoot swans, but to try and raise the anty by saying they have been shot over and pver again is RSPB propoganda. M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 It could be a RSPB plant.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) even stranger is the fact there seems to be a fair few pieces of shot in the xray that aren't even in the bird ok some could be trapped in the wing feathers but looks a bit odd particularly in the bottom right of the picture Edited February 12, 2010 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesLeic Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 even stranger is the fact there seems to be a fair few pieces of shot in the xray that aren't even in the bird ok some could be trapped in the wing feathers but looks a bit odd particularly in the bottom right of the picture this is it im thinking they were planted after being shot with too light a load at very close quarters (ergo why some havent pentrated and they are soo small) i cant see how those loads woud have brought those birds down in flight which is what atleast one would be doing after the first was shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Hi, I'm with the OP. It seems that we're all agreed that it's smallish shot. We don't know because we have no need with regard to a swan, but the threshold energy for a mallard is 0.4ft/lbs. For a swan I would imagine that it would be at least double that and that therefore with a reduced lethal energy they argueably didn't die immediately I wouldn't like to be in his/ their shoes if any of the old local boys find out who it was. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Could have been shot at close range rather than flying at distant . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeymagic1969 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 misleading article, "they have been shot over and over again", yet all we see is what we assume to be shotgun pellets in the xray,yes it's wrong to shoot swans, but to try and raise the anty by saying they have been shot over and pver again is RSPB propoganda. M. I very much agree with you - Damn RSPB 'sexing' the storyline up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Apart from the fact this is ilegal it is worse then shooting a goose because?? dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 If this is the breast of the bird then it must have been flying to spread the shot all over-if the picture is of its back then i'd say it was shot at close range in the back whilst swimming.Can't accept that the RSPB would stoop to this level-more likely some trigger happy tosspot who needs a good hiding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 they would do any thing to make us shooters look bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) Inexperienced "fun" seekers.... .....poachers...and particularly any of our Eastern European friends, would have filled their bellies with it, not left them on the bank!! Just the sort of thing that gives the RSPCA a hard on, they love the publicity!! Edited February 13, 2010 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 i think the shot looks quite large personally, no expert on the matter but swans are fairly ******* big birds and in relation to the six of that bird i'd say the shot was large, either way it doesn't excuse the fact they've been shot wrongly, and the fact the R.S.P.C.GAY are making it in to more than it is how can they determin it was shot several times? it was shot with a shot gun there looks about 100 pieces of shot there at a quick glance surely 1 shot at close range would have done this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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