MC Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Don't ******* patronise me, I have beat on some very prestigeous estates and am fully aware of what happens on a proper day. And to be perfectly honest I am not interested. After all it will be the large shoots that finish the game shooting in this country by portraying the snobbery that is contained in your post. Wasn't everyone up in arms over the PRIVELIGE car insurance adverts when in reality they are the truth. I know exactly why they hold cock only days thank you very much, I do not need preaching to by the likes of you. However you seem to have skirted my questions like a politician. Do you regard ducks and geese as vermin? Is a pheasant on the 31st january any different to a pheasant in the middle of november? Why is it OK for a beater to shoot a pheasant with a semi auto and not a paying gun? One shoot I beat on there is a gun who always uses a semi auto, he is about as traditional as you could get but that is his gun of CHOICE. Remember that word CHOICE. That is what world wars were fought for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 have to say I skirted the wildfowling question as I have little knowledge of it, however obviously heavy loads etc do dictate that an auto makes more sense. A lot of the beaters that I go on cock days with only shoot game on one or two days a year hence they bring the gun they shoot with most as most of their shooting is usually pigeons etc. Often the pheasant will be different in that it won't be presented to the guns in as sporting a way as possible, we drive birds specifically over certain areas where the lie of the land makes them more sporting shots on normal days whereas beaters day they get shot whether going back or wherever really. Personally choice is usually dependant on the landowner or shoot captain so yes there may be a personal choice but there will also be a choice made whether to let you shoot or send you home, or simply not invite you again all of which can and do happen though very rarely as I've actually never seen an auto on a proper day. Even when we have yanks over they seem to be obsessed with small gauge guns rather than autos. Snobbery or tradition call it what you like but you will be hard pressed to get rid of it in the shooting world, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 You don't need to know anything about wildfowling, the question was simple. Do you consider the ducks and geese that I have shot to be vermin? Your statement was about treating game birds like vermin because they were being shot with a semi auto. I will also accept your apology for talking down to me even though it wasn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted March 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 (edited) I bet more vermin is shot with o/u's every year than with semi's. I'm right with you mc, it's simply 'Privilage' reasons on less accepting shoots. Edited March 5, 2010 by Oly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted March 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 (edited) oops, posted twice! Edited March 5, 2010 by Oly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Oh this has all been done before. And even before it was done before, it had been done before... The answer is "no" and "no" to pump actions (which are safer). It's tradition like wearing the shirt and tie to a driven day as well. You wouldn't wear a DJ to a football match and you wouldn't wear a clown suit to a funeral. Etc. Ad nauseum. The end. Mungler ..... Do you own a clown suit?...... I was just wondering because its not the type of thing most people have in the wardrobe..... What should I wear today?... Ah,...... think I'll go with the clown suit......LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 I reckon the way most game shooters dress makes them look like ******* clowns anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conygree Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 (edited) Let my son have the O/U and used a s/auto on a beaters day - keeper went mad For safety he like to see guns broken, to prove they are empty from a distance + he can see any exposed brass on an open gun. Also for example laying a gun down it's always broken but a semi with look closed. I kept it empty but found it difficult to carry into a truck in a group with no slip on some drives, where do you point it to keep everybody happy. Afterwards I brought a cheap sxs for shoot days problem solved. I use it for most shooting but won't use it again on a driven shoot as SBS O/U both can be kept broken. As one old keeper said," with a bird approaching you have plenty of time to close the gun and take the shoot", also he said," to have the gun closed and up ready you have too much time to take the shot so you may miss anyway". I have beated for a few and accept the gun rules have been evolved for safety and not snobbery over the last 100 yrs, most of the time there is always somebody in gun range of each other so why risk it when most of us have more than one gun Edited March 5, 2010 by pigeon popper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Let my son have the O/U and used a s/auto on a beaters day - keeper went mad For safety he like to see guns broken, to prove they are empty from a distance + he can see any exposed brass on an open gun. Also for example laying a gun down it's always broken but a semi with look closed. I kept it empty but found it difficult to carry into a truck in a group with no slip on some drives, where do you point it to keep everybody happy. Afterwards I brought a cheap sxs for shoot days problem solved. I use it for most shooting but won't use it again on a driven shoot as SBS O/U both can be kept broken. As one old keeper said," with a bird approaching you have plenty of time to close the gun and take the shoot", also he said," to have the gun closed and up ready you have too much time to take the shot so you may miss anyway". I have beated for a few and accept the gun rules have been evolved for safety and not snobbery over the last 100 yrs, most of the time there is always somebody in gun range of each other so why risk it when most of us have more than one gun That is absolute trash, Everyone harps on about safety yet that is just the cover up for snobbery There is nothing more unsafe with a semi auto as there is a s/s or o/u. As I said earlier once it is in a slip everyone assumes it is safe. And an assumption is the mother of all **** ups. A breech flag is all that is needed to show a semi is safe. You statement about having all the time in the world depands on where you are standing and with regards to where do you point a semi auto, That is the same as where do you point any gun? Not at anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Just my two pennorth, how many photographs of game shooters have you seen where the gun, be it a S/S or O/U is CLOSED with the butt resting on the shooters hip, pointing up in the air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyr8 Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 what about golf,a sport were tradition demands that you DO dress like a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprinter Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 On one of our local partridge shoots that i beat on you would be treated with a certain amount of disdian and redicule if you turned up toting an o/u. I think if you showed up with a semi auto some of the older syndicate members may just keel over or at the very least choke on their bullshot. I would guess it would take a matter of seconds between you unslipping your escort cammo and being asked to leave or being provided with something entirely more suitable for the occasion. Personally i'm not that fussed as long as you know the person and they are shooting fairly. I wouldn't be that happy standing next to a guy blatting away 3 shots to my two when we have both paid the same amount of money for the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 There seems to be a pattern here particularly with the Irish lads. So in Ireland it is slightly more accepted than in the UK? I have to say that honestly is this worth the argument? Most of the time it is just the individuals bloody mindedness at the end of the day when they know full well how things work in this business. I invited a friend to a formal day and the first thing he asked me was could he bring a semi auto. I had to say no when I knew full well he had a nice o/u in his cabinet. This sort of thread is waste of time, done to death it is. For the people who are getting into shooting for the first time just for the record, make sure the first gun you buy is an o/u or sbs, it just writes this whole issue out of the equation. Well a lot of people (me included) shoot better with their Semi-Auto, so this is possibly why they request to use it on a game day. I must say, although I don't always see eye to eye with MC, I totally agree with him in that it is total snobbery and nothing else. I shoot all manner of vermin and game with my Semi-Auto for the simple reason that I shoot better with it than my O/U, so I think it is being more respectful to my quarry to shoot with a gun that I have confidence in and ensures a clean kill. There seems to be a pattern here particularly with the Irish lads. So in Ireland it is slightly more accepted than in the UK? just like to clear 1 thing up the people who replied from n.ireland about this topic still live in a country which is part of the UK Well Monkeyboots my Irish Passport says that I am Irish so I beg to differ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyboots Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 that me be ollie but the point i was making is we still are part of the uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 I guest shot on a game shoot last year where the guns either side of me both has semi autos, they both explained it was due to a shoulder injusy for one and old age for the other, on the first drive I was very wary of them, but then it turned out they were safe shots but didnt hit much, I had a good day cleaning up after them both. on a similar subject some shoots dont like me to take the hammer gun for its annual outing as they think that they are not safe? how much more traditional can you get than a hammer? I usually save it for the boxing day shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbrc Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 FOR INFO It is against the law to shoot GAME with "a gun CAPABLE of dicharging more than two cartridges". Not my opinion just a fact. When it says capable it means it you cannot legally use a 3 shot loaded with 2 cartridges. Wildfowl can be shot with a gun "with a magazine capacity not greater than two" so a 3 shot would be ok but not a large capacity. Feel free to confirm this with basc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 FOR INFO It is against the law to shoot GAME with "a gun CAPABLE of dicharging more than two cartridges". Not my opinion just a fact. When it says capable it means it you cannot legally use a 3 shot loaded with 2 cartridges. Feel free to confirm this with basc. Nothing on the BASC website about that Link please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 FOR INFO It is against the law to shoot GAME with "a gun CAPABLE of dicharging more than two cartridges". Not my opinion just a fact. When it says capable it means it you cannot legally use a 3 shot loaded with 2 cartridges. Wildfowl can be shot with a gun "with a magazine capacity not greater than two" so a 3 shot would be ok but not a large capacity. Feel free to confirm this with basc. That is the biggest load of tosh spouted today. If it is a fact then please show us the proof. An over and under is CAPABLE of discharging more than two cartridges. Admittedly you need to reload in between but it is still capable. I don't see why the semi auto should be unfair on a game shoot either, I can reload an O/U much faster than a semi auto. Which is why the are used on flurries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Nowhere in here does it even mention a gun The Game Act 1831 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Act...a_18310032_en_1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ollie Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 FOR INFO It is against the law to shoot GAME with "a gun CAPABLE of dicharging more than two cartridges". Not my opinion just a fact. When it says capable it means it you cannot legally use a 3 shot loaded with 2 cartridges. Wildfowl can be shot with a gun "with a magazine capacity not greater than two" so a 3 shot would be ok but not a large capacity. Feel free to confirm this with basc. This is total ****. I think you will find if you read your information correctly it is illegal to shoot game with a gun which has a magazine capacity of more than 2 shells; semi-autos have a magazine capacity of 2 shells and 1 shell in the chamber. I think you need to get your facts right first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 FOR INFO It is against the law to shoot GAME with "a gun CAPABLE of dicharging more than two cartridges". Not my opinion just a fact. When it says capable it means it you cannot legally use a 3 shot loaded with 2 cartridges. Wildfowl can be shot with a gun "with a magazine capacity not greater than two" so a 3 shot would be ok but not a large capacity. Feel free to confirm this with basc. :( OK I missed something somewhere, please enlighten me, can you point me in the direction of the legislation please! Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I'll say it again then It has nothing to do with the safety aspect, it's the fact they don't look the part. So does a bride wearing a wedding dress to a wedding make her a snob? Or a school pupil going to school in school uniform? It's got **** all to do with snobbery it's simply the done thing like in so many other instances. When I were a lad if I went to school with white trainers on I got sent home. The same should go for any fools rolling up to a shoot with a semi auto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I'll say it again then It has nothing to do with the safety aspect, it's the fact they don't look the part. So does a bride wearing a wedding dress to a wedding make her a snob? Or a school pupil going to school in school uniform? It's got F all to do with snobbery it's simply the done thing like in so many other instances. When I were a lad if I went to school with white trainers on I got sent home. The same should go for any fools rolling up to a shoot with a semi auto. Does a bride who doesn't wear a wedding dress get sent home from her wedding? no of course she doesn't. So NOT LOOKING THE PART is nothing to do with snobbery? Pull the other one it has bells on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian28 Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 George1990 I'll say it again then It has nothing to do with the safety aspect, it's the fact they don't look the part. So does a bride wearing a wedding dress to a wedding make her a snob? Or a school pupil going to school in school uniform? It's got F all to do with snobbery it's simply the done thing like in so many other instances. When I were a lad if I went to school with white trainers on I got sent home. The same should go for any fools rolling up to a shoot with a semi auto. So turning up with an over and under is ok ? 20 years ago if you turned up on a shoot with an over and under everyone started whispering must be a clayshooter etc Do you use a traditional gun George1990 ? purdey boss holland+holland If its not safety its snobbery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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