Death penalty. Yes or No?

[inthedark]

Answer your PM ME, I've got my cheque book in hand and pen poised!!

[Vipa]

Then explain why it's flawed with reasoning.

 

If I could show you a very simple way of stopping 2,600 people dying unecessarily next year would you agree that that is something we should act upon and do?

 

 

 

Also, are you willing to sacrifice your guns and sport right here, right now in the name of saving lives? Because I guarantee, if we all stopped shooting and keeping guns at home, lives would be saved each year

 

It's incredibly easy to sit back and pass jugement when it doesn't affect you peronally, after all, you don't know the poor bloke who's just been hanged for something he didn't do, his death will have no affect on your life whatsoever and you will have forgotten all about the article in the paper by tomorrow where you read that someone had been executed. Now.... what if that bloke was your son, or your brother or your father or even you.... would you then be so quick to say that it's ok to hang that person even though they may well be innocent?

Edited March 4, 2010 by Vipa

[GW80]

Personally i think if a few more gaols were built and pricks like that boyo who killed the police dog and injured 2 cops was then given a suspended instead of getting a spell inside , maybe it would be more of a deterent than most of labour's **** up ideas!!

[amateur]

Kysco - good example. Anyone remember the name of the last person to be hung in Britain? It was a woman, now beleived to be innocent.

 

Last male hanged in 1962 - James Hanratty for the A6 murder and rape

 

Last female hanged in 1955 - Ruth Ellis for the murder of David Blakely

[starlight32]

I am up for restoration of the death penalty along the lines of what ME says. The majority of the population have nothing to fear.

 

For those that exclude all the other possibilities of execution shooting I must say it is possibly too good..... As to a soldier to be shot is an honourable death.

 

I think there should be alot more hard labour installed into custodial sentences. In fact none of this high security 'super prison' lark costing millions of pounds either.

 

All you need is a secluded spot preferably near woodland, Plenty of barbed wire,electrified fence, watchtowers and extremely ruthless armed guards...Work the living daylights out of them as simple as that.

[christy]

USA jails are full of people waiting the death penalty. Obviously the dp is not a deterrent. Therefore it is simply revenge.

 

In my opinion get one wrong, sentence one single person wrongly and you are as bad as them. Imagine the morning you wait for your last walk to the electric chair and you know you are innocent!!! Bloody barbaric.

 

If it's revenge you want then life in prison means life. Hard labour from day one. No play stations, teles and drugs no-no. Hard labour paying back society till the day you die.

[Vipa]

USA jails are full of people waiting the death penalty. Obviously the dp is not a deterrent. Therefore it is simply revenge.

 

In my opinion get one wrong, sentence one single person wrongly and you are as bad as them. Imagine the morning you wait for your last walk to the electric chair and you know you are innocent!!! Bloody barbaric.

 

If it's revenge you want then life in prison means life. Hard labour from day one. No play stations, teles and drugs no-no. Hard labour paying back society till the day you die.

 

Well said

[Frenchieboy]

I have voted "YES" but I have certain reservations!

Technology has advanced in leaps and bounds since the death penalty was abolished so I see much less doubt about "Unsound Convictions" nawadays, however if we do reinstate the death penalty we need to be sure that there is no possibility whatsoever of sending an innocent person down with the Death Panalty! Where there is no doubt or the possibility of doubt murder should, (in my opinion) be punishable by the death penalty! When I say "No doubt or Possibility of Doubt I am refering to cases such as Brady and Hindley, Peter Sutcliffe, Harold Shipman, etc. (There are many more but I have listed a few purely to use as expamples) However, we do need to be careful that our courts are not too free in "awarding" the death penalty just to "please a baying mob".

Where acts of terrorism (I.e. Indiscrininate bombing, etc,) on UK soil are concerned then there should be no hesitation in issuing the death penalty as that is exactly what the terrorists are issuing on the general public and the innocent of our country!

Edited March 5, 2010 by Frenchieboy

[markbjones01]

Ruth Ellis was the last female to be hung that was in 1955 the last man was hung in 1964 several were sentenced to death in 65 but they were repreived and sentenced to life as they abolished the death penalty to all but two offences (treason and piracy i think but not 100% sure)

The reason the country moved away from the death penalty was public opinion due to the wrongfull finding of guilt in several high profile cases and not the punnishment itself. Therefore if we can be 100% sure then its time to bring it back

I for one would volunteer for Albert Pierpoints old job !!

[Lloyd90]

I voted Yes, although I believe criminals should be out doing hard labour, not sat around watching tv like there in a bloody hotel

 

I think certain crimes should get the death sentence. Ones where it is 100% certain that it was done. Not just everything. How can you trust a group of people to make a decision like that when they weren't even clever enough to get out of jury duty ?

[PhilR]

I voted yes, I don't think there is anything wrong in have the ultimate deterent in place for horrendous crimes and where the culprit is 100% guilty and there is no evidence of doubt, having the solution on the statute books doesn't necessarily mean that it would be invoked ad infinitum. It may well need a total review of the current justice system and the way evidence is gathered to ensure 'mistakes' are lessened.

 

I'd also like prisons to be a punishment not a rest cure. In the old days the prisoners in Dartmoor were given hard work breaking rocks. In my mind if you wish to step outside the law, then as an outlaw you suspend the rights and privileges of the community who wish to abide within the law.

[MM]

well. dont say you were not warned

 

Matthew 5:21: Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment.

[Wookie]

No.

 

So many times in the past few years there have been cases where murderers have been found not guilty on appeal because evidence was unsound, or worse planted, that you might never be sure. Beyond reasonable doubt may not be enough.

 

Yes, cases like the ripper might be cut and dried, but we are a civilised nation, and the death penalty is barbaric. As has been said before; deprive them of their freedom and work them until they have repaid that debt.

[kdubya]

For those who think they could pull, inject, hit with a hammer or whatever to lay the "guilty to rest" yeah pudding rice and top comes top mind try some education rather than rhetoric start with getting down to wh smiths and buying a book other than one that gets coloured in,ask for a book titled THE DEATH OF INNOCENTS by sister Helen Prejean, then read not opinionate,in a perfect world the death penalty could and should be an option for top end vile acts of inhumanity, but as I said before, would you trust our judicial and system ably abetted by an oft corrupt plod?

 

KW

[Pigeon_snIPer]

Best thing to do is - Remove all their organs - eyes, kidneys etc etc and donate them to ppl who are in need of them and once there is nothing left to harvest - Hang em high.

/s/

[Chard]

I'm all for having the death penalty, it doesn't have to be automatically used for all murders. The French have it right, making allowances for "crimes of passioon" etc.

 

If these terrorist arsewipes want to meet their maker, I believe we should help them along

 

To say that the death penalty is not a deterrent is just a bunch of words. A meaningless statement. Of course there will always be murders, we have enough fruitcakes out there who wouldn't be deterred by anything, but I believe that the casual attitude to using weapons in the street (for instance) would change if it could lead to the rope.

 

Besides which, I don't recall being asked if I want my tax money spent on keeping these people in prison for protracted periods of time. I don't believe that human life is automatically sacred, no matter what. There's plenty of trash around that are just taking up space and oxygen.

[Vipa]

I'm not sure that prisons are the 5* hotels that people are making them out to be, I think that's a media manipulated view thrust upon us by Sky TV.

 

I have no experience of prisons, never even been inside one on a visit, infact, my only exposure to prison life is what I used to see on 'porridge' and 'Americas hardest Prisons' neither of which give much real idea of what it's actually like in UK max security establishment. I can only go off what I am told by one of my friends who is an officer at Holme house which is catagory B, doesn't sound like much fun so it would be interesting to know what it's like in a cat A

 

Perhaps we have one or two prison officer members who could give us an insight?

[MM]

Best thing to do is - Remove all their organs - eyes, kidneys etc etc and donate them to ppl who are in need of them and once there is nothing left to harvest - Hang em high.

/s/

 

 

[Vipa]

well. dont say you were not warned

 

Matthew 5:21: Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment.

 

Please don't bring the bible into this.... it's a sure fire way to start a war!!! let's face it, depending upon how you interpret what's in there, it's either the guide to ultimate peace and enlightenment or down right incitement to riot!

 

Let's try " Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)" or "Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)" Plenty more if you want them. Hardly a shining beacon of tollerance and peace!

Edited March 5, 2010 by Vipa

[MM]

I'm not sure that prisons are the 5* hotels that people are making them out to be, I think that's a media manipulated view thrust upon us by Sky TV.

 

I have no experience of prisons, never even been inside one on a visit, infact, my only exposure to prison life is what I used to see on 'porridge' and 'Americas hardest Prisons' neither of which give much real idea of what it's actually like in UK max security establishment. I can only go off what I am told by one of my friends who is an officer at Holme house which is catagory B, doesn't sound like much fun so it would be interesting to know what it's like in a cat A

 

Perhaps we have one or two prison officer members who could give us an insight?

 

 

i shoot with a prison guard from here (dont want to name him, thats up to him) and some of the stuff he told me goes on, i think folk need to stop reading newspapers about this 'holiday camp' lark. The cons have made this up so people think they are hard men, simple.

[starlight32]

Best thing to do is - Remove all their organs - eyes, kidneys etc etc and donate them to ppl who are in need of them and once there is nothing left to harvest - Hang em high.

/s/

 

I beleive that was covered in the ealry days of corporal punishment of being 'hung drawn and quartered' which fit far better the demise of serious criminal than clinically taking out his organs.

 

I have to say I don't think I would'nt want the organs of a murderer in my body even as a matter of life and death, as I feel the taint on my soul would be too great.

[Salop Matt]

Sorry to side step slightly but.

 

Personally a living sole is exactly that wether they are human or animal they are still living !

 

So my question to those who say no to the death penalty is do you agree on dogs that are deamed dangerous or have attacked are destroyed ? When humans who are deamed dangerous attackers and killers only serve small sentances and re-hab !

 

Its a sentance to end a life and dogs are ment to be mans best friend. I guess its how you look at as to wether I have a vaild point here or not !

[Pigeon_snIPer]

You have a point there.

Well better hang them right away then. would rid the earth of some carbon emissions :-)

 

On Second thoughts.

Cut off their hands n legs, remove their eyes and tongue and set them free in a hunting reserve.

That will give them time to repent and think on what they did and also the Carnivores get fed free :-)

 

 

/s/

Edited March 5, 2010 by Pigeon_snIPer

[Vipa]

Sorry to side step slightly but.

 

Personally a living sole is exactly that wether they are human or animal they are still living !

 

So my question to those who say no to the death penalty is do you agree on dogs that are deamed dangerous or have attacked are destroyed ? When humans who are deamed dangerous attackers and killers only serve small sentances and re-hab !

 

Its a sentance to end a life and dogs are ment to be mans best friend. I guess its how you look at as to wether I have a vaild point here or not !

 

Hmmm...... dogs, humans...... Hardly a comparrison there. Dogs are not capable of reasoning and they have no concept of right and wrong. If we are to use this analogy, where do we draw the line? cats who offend? lets hang em! and while we're at it, let's shoot the pigeons that destroy farmers field.... oh... hang on..... we do

[reaper6]

HANG EM......HANG EM HIGH