teal27 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Hi all, I got a speeding ticket 3 days ago from a hand held gun which they said i was doing 47 in a 30. I was doing around 35 nowhere near 47, I asked to see the calibre cetificate on which they replied" you`ll have to go to court to see it"! is this true or do they have to carry it with them? also they were hiding behind a tree and a wall which I also thought wasnt alowed! The mail did tests on these guns and they came up inaccurate and measured a parked car doing 25mph a bicycle doing 66mph and a Wall yes a wall doing 44mph!! Anyone had experience with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 i have,nt had a speeding experiance but this radar gun .i was traveling home a couple of weeks ago in a 30mph area i dont know why it is a 30mph area as its a straight fast road in a non built up area anyway two cars in front of me slammed his brakes on but it was two late a bobby had dived out of a driveway and he was caught the bobby had a hand held gun opposite the driveway is a secluded carpark when i got to pass it out the bobby had it filled up with drivers and two wpc's doing the ticket thing with all the drivers he had caught . earned his bonus that day i can tell ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Ask to see video evidence of the claim. The gun has to be held on a flat part of the vehicle, I believe. The only flat part is the number plate. I don't know about you but I find it difficult keeping a scope trained on a fixed point of a moving target. Do a web search for LP20 speed guns. Please do not take this as legal advice but I believe that they rely on the fact that people would rather just pay the fee than risk going to court and getting a higher fee. However, in this case you have admitted to exceeding the speed limit even though it was 35mph so I think you would be on very thin ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Visit http://www.pepipoo.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 If it is a handheld then isn't the evidence going to be the officers word? In which case you're a bit stuffed, is it possible they got you a lot further away than you thought? Look on pepipoo but be prepared to take it on the chin or it gets more expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Hi all, I got a speeding ticket 3 days ago from a hand held gun which they said i was doing 47 in a 30. I was doing around 35 nowhere near 47.............. So you were speeding then, pay the fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJN Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 I think almost anyone can get caught speeding at sometime or another these days, one SP30 is almost ignored by insurance companies, the FEO's etc. I would suggest pay up, and try to get over it. Although I'm still miffed at mine (5 years ago). M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 theres a vast difference between 35 and 47, points and fine wise i would imagine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 can still be 3 points and the same fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antuk99 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 You should be a policeman then you would only get a caution LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 On your own admittance you were speeding! Take it on the chin, pay the fixed penalty when it arrives or, even better, if it is your first offence for speeding you might get offered a chance to pay and go on one of the "Speed Awareness One Day Courses" (Which cost the same as the fixed penalty fine) but you will not get the penalty points on your license! (I know cos I got caught and accepted it myself so my license is still "clean") If it comes down to an argument between your word against Bobby's word in court I'm afraid that in the majority if cases Bobby will win hands down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 can still be 3 points and the same fine Exactly, either way it's the same - don't waste your time and effort fighting it - cough up, and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peek-at Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 (edited) First of all there are a few things to clarify Was the 'speed gun' an old style dopler radar type or the new style laser type. (if it was a traffic officer as opposed to a beat officer it is most likely the laser type) If the laser type was used it is so sophisticated it is almost certainly correct. as someone has already said, they have an impressive range so you may have had your speed recorded well before you think. The old style dopler radar can be affected by opposing traffic so was the road quiet or heavy traffic? In the end it would be up to the officer to state if the device was working properly. Having used these devices myself though, the operator can quite easily spot if the reading is jumping between vehicles, so i suspect the officer is happy about the validity of the check. The officer is right in the fact that he will not carry around a calibration certificate as these are held centrally. The only way to confirm the device was calibrated would be to opt for a court hearing where your solicitor can request certificates etc. or maybe if you have a ameanable ticket office within your force they may oblige. There are no restrictions on where an officer stands. I would agree with everyone though that at some point we all get caught travelling quicker than we should, even through a lapse of concentration. ( even me ! ) and unfortunately we also know the penalty ! As you have indicated that you were actually over the speed limit at the point at which you 'think' you were caught I imagine it possible that you may at some stage have been going a bit quicker - hence the device reading. Knowing what I know, and if it was me, I would pay it i'm afraid.................... PS. Frenchieboy mentioned the possibility that you may be lucky and get offered a speed awareness course. Im afraid that is only an option up to 39mph...........sorry Edited June 11, 2010 by peek-at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yates Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Just got my first one in the post today. 37 mph in a 30 zone. I didn't notice the mobile speed van until too late. I checked the speedo at the time and thought that i was doing about 45mph so i can't complain. I,ve been given three options of action that they may take, either accept 3 penalty points plus a £60 fine, speed advisory letter or to attend to attend a speed awareness course. I suppose the moral is don't speed but it's something that we all do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Some interesting comments around "you were speeding anyway, so accept your punishment" If you were doing 29 in a 30 and the camera said 41, would you be happy to accept your punishment then? I'm pretty sure you would not. Would you be happy to lose your licence and possibly your job because the police were either using innaccurate equipment or not using it properly? If we are to be policed by technology instead of common sense, lets at least make sure that the technology actually works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 If you were doing 29 in a 30 and the camera said 41, would you be happy to accept your punishment then? I'm pretty sure you would not. I was doing around 35 nowhere near 47, I asked to see the calibre *** you started a thread now your bleating EITHER go to court and contest it or shut the **** up we ALL break laws I do so do other PW members but we don't bleat about it deal with it move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Everyone knows someone who has a mate who has gotten away with speeding with some spurious reason - most are urban legends - even super duper famous lawyers struggle to get their footballer clients off with driving offences apart from the odd case - the cop does not need to show any calibration certificate - with cars the way they are nowadays, it's oh so easy to speed - most cars feel like they are standing still when doing 30 - and don't go on daft newspaper reports about walls doing x amount - it makes for reading and that's all they're interested in. It's getting increasingly more difficult to keep a clean licence nowadays - pay up and take the points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Slug, I didn't start the thread and I'm not bleating. I'm just saying that being convicted on false evidence is a little harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 one thing for sure,if / or when you get your points and fixed penalty,that will slow you down,it did me i need to get to Jan 11 until my 3 points dissapear,4 years is a long long time BB Commit the crime do the time and i was doing 36mph in a 30 zone,didnt get a chance of a course etc,3 points £60 quid thankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Some interesting comments around "you were speeding anyway, so accept your punishment" If you were doing 29 in a 30 and the camera said 41, would you be happy to accept your punishment then? I'm pretty sure you would not. Would you be happy to lose your licence and possibly your job because the police were either using innaccurate equipment or not using it properly? If we are to be policed by technology instead of common sense, lets at least make sure that the technology actually works. Yeah but he wasn't! So even if the specifics are a bit out he would still have been done if he had been recorded at the speed he said he had been doing. As others have said, you've been done, it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 I hear you are allowed 10% of the speed limit plus 2mph to allow for speedometer inaccuracies ? In which case 35mph is ok. If you really were doing 35 according to your speedo and they clocked you at 47 mph then I hope you win if you contest it. If they were to do everyone everywhere that exceeded the limit and we all lost our licenses then this country would grind to a halt. It is a lottery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 If you were doing 29 in a 30 and the camera said 41, would you be happy to accept your punishment then? I'm pretty sure you would not. :good: No obviously not but there is one tiny little difference. One is being found guilty whilst innocent and so an injustice is there. The other is being found guilty whilst freely admitting guilt where is the leg to stand on there? come think about it George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 :good: No obviously not but there is one tiny little difference. One is being found guilty whilst innocent and so an injustice is there. The other is being found guilty whilst freely admitting guilt where is the leg to stand on there? come think about it George You accept that there is an injustice in being punished for something you haven't done based on false evidence. OK then, what if you were doing 35 in a 30 (3 points and £60 or whatever it is these days) but the machine said you were doing 65 (big fine and a ban) Are you happy to accept that you were speeding a little bit, so the life changing punishment for the greater "crime" is OK? The trouble is that driving faster than 30mph isn't always a crime - it depends where you are. So we need to be absolutely sure that if we are going to punished for committing that crime then the equipment they use to gather the evidence is foolproof. And what other crime can result in a greater punishment just because you try to defend yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 You accept that there is an injustice in being punished for something you haven't done based on false evidence. OK then, what if you were doing 35 in a 30 (3 points and £60 or whatever it is these days) but the machine said you were doing 65 (big fine and a ban) Are you happy to accept that you were speeding a little bit, so the life changing punishment for the greater "crime" is OK? The trouble is that driving faster than 30mph isn't always a crime - it depends where you are. So we need to be absolutely sure that if we are going to punished for committing that crime then the equipment they use to gather the evidence is foolproof. And what other crime can result in a greater punishment just because you try to defend yourself? Once again you are talking about a different circumstances, it has already been stated that the punishment will be the same George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V3 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Once again you are talking about a different circumstances, it has already been stated that the punishment will be the same George but will it be the same 35 would proberly get you a speed awareness course depending on your driving history 40+ =fine and points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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