leonp9lbw Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) A friend of mine had his visit from the fiield officer concerning gaining a shotgun certificate today, and he was told that the goverment are trying to push through a new law stating that anyone with a criminal record would be denied a licence, he also added that if you already held a licence and had a criminal record in the past they would be looking to revoke it.Has anyone heard of this?. :unsure: Edited June 25, 2010 by leonp9lbw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) :unsure: Edited June 27, 2010 by swiss.tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 A friend of mine had his visit from the fiield officer concerning gaining a shotgun certificate today, and he was told that the goverment are trying to push through a new law stating that anyone with a criminal record would be denied a licence, he also added that if you already held a licence and had a criminal record in the past they would be looking to revoke it.Has anyone heard of this?. :unsure: No, haven't heard that, but it doesn't surprise me. maybe david basc would care to comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) Well that would be 75% of the boys at some of our local clay shoots gone! Good job too,riff raff. You know thinking about it,that may just be a ruse to throw him off applying! Edited June 25, 2010 by the running man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 At the moment the difference between shotguns and firearms is its your legal right to own a shotgun while you need 'good reason' to own a firearm.The Police at present can only refuse or revoke a shotgun cert if they can basically prove you're of unsafe mind or a danger to others. Sounds like they're preparing to amalgamate shotgun and firearm certs onto one licence...like Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 i agree with them if u av done wrong in past for any thing wat get s u a criminal record u dont desirve to have a gun end of its a privlidege to own a gun and shoot they lost that right when they broke the law may be we should adopt this policy for drink driveing u get caught life time ban may be that wood stop them or may be not me thinks What a load of sanctimonious old cobblers :unsure: How many people on here can hold their hands up and honestly say they've NEVER broken the law? Not many i'll wager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Its pure speculation from one FEO, otherwise i'll be keeping my eyes peeled for lots of cheap guns in the sale section Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 There is no ‘new law’ A person who has been sentenced to a prison term of three or more years will be permanently prohibited from possessing any type of firearm, a person who has been sentenced for a prison term of three months but under three years will be prohibited for a period of 5 years from the date of their release. For more info take a look at Chapter 12 of the Home Office guidance here: http://www.basc.org.uk/en/utilities/docume...CD197523083F073 David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V3 Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 What a load of sanctimonious old cobblers How many people on here can hold their hands up and honestly say they've NEVER broken the law? Not many i'll wager. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 There you go! U can't just rush bill through parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorianbuilders Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 i agree with them if u av done wrong in past for any thing wat get s u a criminal record u dont desirve to have a gun end of its a privlidege to own a gun and shoot they lost that right when they broke the law may be we should adopt this policy for drink driveing u get caught life time ban may be that wood stop them or may be not me thinks Great view Tony! So someone could make one mistake and you'd penalise them for life?? With a view like that there would soon be less sgc holders! How much support would shooting lose and how long before it was banned altogether! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 No new laws will be passed/debated without at least the sporting bodies being told if not consulted! The government have been clear that there will be no debate/review until the Cumbria Police report is finished and in with the Home Office.... He is talking speculative nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Well I really do hope that they never come up with an idea like that! I've got a record and am perfectly safe with my guns. On the other hand I know some right numpties who I wouldn't trust with a spud gun, yet if a law like this got passed they wouldn't have any problems because they've never been caught! You'd think that it would be seen as wrong to revoke a FAC from someone if they haven't done anything bad since its grant. Having said that common sense is a rarity in government these days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 I had my FAC interview this week, and the FEO said he really doubts they'll change the law any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Just as well bad spelling isn't a crime then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) Well I really do hope that they never come up with an idea like that! I've got a record and am perfectly safe with my guns. On the other hand I know some right numpties who I wouldn't trust with a spud gun, yet if a law like this got passed they wouldn't have any problems because they've never been caught! You'd think that it would be seen as wrong to revoke a FAC from someone if they haven't done anything bad since its grant. Having said that common sense is a rarity in government these days! Think how freely available firearms are in the States and yet they operate that system.. If you are a convicted felon then you are prohibited from posessing full stop! Edited June 25, 2010 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Just as well bad spelling isn't a crime then It's not just the spelling Dunk.... it's the mobile phone grammar too.... bloody awful!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katash Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Think how freely available firearms are in the States and yet they operate that system.. If you are a convicted felon then you are prohibited from posessing full stop! Dont they treat crime differently tho? .... AFAIK A 'Felony' is a big crime whereas a mistermenour wouldnt prevent you owning a gun. We have nothing like that here and a crime such as getting a parking ticket would class you as a criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Dont they treat crime differently tho? .... AFAIK A 'Felony' is a big crime whereas a mistermenour wouldnt prevent you owning a gun. We have nothing like that here and a crime such as getting a parking ticket would class you as a criminal. Parking ticket is a civil issue not criminal... From what I can work out a felony is equivalent to what would be dealt with by Crown Court over here whilst misdemeanour is equivalent of Magistrates court stuff.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Dont they treat crime differently tho? .... AFAIK A 'Felony' is a big crime whereas a mistermenour wouldnt prevent you owning a gun. We have nothing like that here and a crime such as getting a parking ticket would class you as a criminal. Yes we do, we have magistrates court and crown court. Also the guide lines are clearly stated in DBs post. such minimal offences like speeding fines and parking tickets don't really count do they, unless it's compulsive then the odd one now and then won't matter. What does matter is the persons overall profile, all the police want to know is if we're reasonably upstanding, responsible, and of sound mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 What a load of sanctimonious old cobblers :unsure: How many people on here can hold their hands up and honestly say they've NEVER broken the law? Not many i'll wager. As ever, it's getting caught that matters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 i agree with them if u av done wrong in past for any thing wat get s u a criminal record u dont desirve to have a gun end of its a privlidege to own a gun and shoot they lost that right when they broke the law may be we should adopt this policy for drink driveing u get caught life time ban may be that wood stop them or may be not me thinks Id love to see you hung up by your dangly bits my moronic freind, whats it like up on your ivory tower mister do good. one day you will come a cropper and itll serve you right,hope im there to see it :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonp9lbw Posted June 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ever get the feeling you should have not asked !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 I had my visit today lads and after 40 years I can assure you that this visit was definitely different to the last. I know the FEO very well and have always got on with him, but this time he was more thorough and had a huge pile of papers in his folder. He went through every single gun I had owned for the last 3 FAC’s and wanted me to tell him where and when they had been disposed off so that he could check them on his list. He then showed me a file of someone with the same name as me who lives on the other side of Birmingham. He was born in 1952 (a year after me) and on the 15th of June instead of the 9th. He knew it wasn’t me but had been given these files to make doubly sure. Jeeze the number of offences was astounding, with him crossing them off page after page. It was unbelievable that anyone at police HQ could possibly believe that anyone with as many offences as that could have ever obtained a FAC, but he still had to check, something that I have NEVER known before. I think I may have to get rid of one of my .22 Hornets as well because they cant see why I need two of them………..again something that has never worried them before. Something IS in the wind lads, so keep yer noses clean, because I think they ARE looking to tighten up of firearms ownership. G.M. :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) I had my visit today lads and after 40 years I can assure you that this visit was definitely different to the last. I know the FEO very well and have always got on with him, but this time he was more thorough and had a huge pile of papers in his folder. He went through every single gun I had owned for the last 3 FAC’s and wanted me to tell him where and when they had been disposed off so that he could check them on his list.He then showed me a file of someone with the same name as me who lives on the other side of Birmingham. He was born in 1952 (a year after me) and on the 15th of June instead of the 9th. He knew it wasn’t me but had been given these files to make doubly sure. Jeeze the number of offences was astounding, with him crossing them off page after page. It was unbelievable that anyone at police HQ could possibly believe that anyone with as many offences as that could have ever obtained a FAC, but he still had to check, something that I have NEVER known before. I think I may have to get rid of one of my .22 Hornets as well because they cant see why I need two of them………..again something that has never worried them before. Something IS in the wind lads, so keep yer noses clean, because I think they ARE looking to tighten up of firearms ownership. G.M. :look: That sounds like your force want to be able to show that they are doing their job with bells on but as we keep pointing out... it is not up to the police what the rules are, they are just there to do the bidding of the government and as the government haven't yet done anything or even brought it up in the house....... it is an indication of nothing but your force presumably trying to ensure they can't be critiscised for anything.. Edited June 25, 2010 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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