motty Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 That's better Cheers, Fenboy. That is much better. I also have no idea why a 3 year old thread has been revived, or why my new best mate Michael has to act in this manner. I believe it may have something to do with a substandard intellect (apologies if you didn't understand that, Michael) and he has to react to well thought out posts with abuse. As this thread has been resurrected, if anyone would like to watch any of my pigeon shooting videos on Youtube ( where I kill 99% of my pigeons with 7 or 7.5 shot) they can then make up their own mind on whether those loads are suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 (edited) For anyone not sure what to use and simply as a guide to be made use of or not as is deemed applicable: Within reason, what starts of quicker slows down quicker and down range the velocities pretty much equal out, so 1400 ft/sec is not to far off as a middle of the road MV. The energy figures below cease at the range where the given 0.85ft/lbs of energy empirically required to kill a pigeon plus 20% is not met at the next 5 yard increment. Pellet sizes are Engish, energy is ft/lbs and distance is yards. Range-----25-----30-----35-----40-----45-----50 No. 6------2.2----1.9----1.7-----1.5----1.3----1.1 No. 6.5---2.0-----1.7----1.5-----1.3----1.1 No. 7-----1.7-----1.5----1.3-----1.1 No.7.5---1.4-----1.2 Just out of interest, what do your calculations suggest about no.5 shot? Should Mr. Digweed still be taking on 80 yard pigeons? Edited February 15, 2014 by motty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 zzzzzzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 have to say ,,I shoot plenty of pigeons at 50mtrs,, not with 7 1/2,s though, I,ll use 30g of 6,s, if and when I do use 7 1/2,s I make sure the ranges I shoot them at are a lot closer,,ie 20 to 30yrds just when they are dropping into the pattern with the 6,s and I use 3/4 and full choke I can hit birds at greater distances, but cannot match those 100yrd shots that digweed pulls off atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diddy Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I use shot size 6 or 5 on pigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Just out of interest, what do your calculations suggest about no.5 shot? Should Mr. Digweed still be taking on 80 yard pigeons? This might go some way to answering that question. There are some interesting figures included in the whole article in the link below. http://www.jonathan-spencer.co.uk/Reference/Guns/Shotgun/Ammo/Shotsize.pdf Reading the above I would say to kill a pigeon cleanly with no.5 shot, at 80 yards is highly unlikely, if not nigh on impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 (edited) Just out of interest, what do your calculations suggest about no.5 shot? Should Mr. Digweed still be taking on 80 yard pigeons? Simply to answer your question: Could I just say,though, that the figures/table that Poontang gave originate from Eley and these can still be seen in their Diary. I use a programme known to be one of the best (but does only produce energy figures to one decimal place) and as I have to enter my calculations - pellet weights (the same traditional English pellets/ounce figures as Eley uses) and ballistic coefficient - sadly, any errors can only be down to me. For No. 5 shot then: Range------25-----30-----35-----40-----45-----50-----60-----70-----80-----90-----100 No.5 2.9----2.5----2.2----2.0-----1.8----1.6----1.2-----0.9----0.7----0.6-----0.4 Edit: NB The MV is as previously. Edited February 16, 2014 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I have removed a few posts, which include some that refer to previous posts that have been removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malantone Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Does anyone think about eating the bird after it is shot with these small pellets, as has been said the patterns are much tighter therefore a lot more lead to pick out of your meat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Does anyone think about eating the bird after it is shot with these small pellets, as has been said the patterns are much tighter therefore a lot more lead to pick out of your meat. It's really not a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 i've got some 28 no6 for the odd occasion i shoot a pigeon, i don't care about the weight, just the shot size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 The speeds quoted on the box of shells are not true. It is a guesstimate. If pigeon shooters were offered 6s cheaper, they would use them. The manufacturers intentionally keep them priced hi. You can reload 6s cheaper. But not without some compromises. Cost is the factor. Why don't people use "world cups" on pigeons? Cos they are really expensive. Same cost as 6s. I don't get the pattern argument as both shells need choking to get the best pattern. Even28g #5are a decent shell. It just costs. I recently met a guy who didn't understand shells and opted to buy shells through his mate. He got ripped off. He was paying silly money for bad clay loads. he even got a FAC high cap 9 shot, because it was costing him 3-4shells per rabbit /game. I Cut open 2 shells I recommended. Then showed him the 7.5s. He automatically winged At the cost. But pointed out its costing him 48p if its taking him 3 shots to stop game. He's hitting stuff, just not stopping. 48p compared to a 22-28p decent game shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towngun Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Just cartridge offer their CSP cartridge loaded with 6.5 shot. Its a fantastic 28 gram load at clay cartridge prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Cost is the factor. Why don't people use "world cups" on pigeons? Cos they are really expensive. Same cost as 6s. I don't get the pattern argument as both shells need choking to get the best pattern. Even28g #5are a decent shell. It just costs. I order clay loads in shot size 7 out of choice, currently working through some World Cups . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Does anyone think about eating the bird after it is shot with these small pellets, as has been said the patterns are much tighter therefore a lot more lead to pick out of your meat. It's really not a problem. Correct as usual. Big shot such as 5's can cause a lot of blood haemorrhage I find, 7 or 7.5's at normal ranges are effective and cause no undue problems for birds dressed for the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I use High Velocity Pigeon, size 6, 29 grams, price £5.50/box. Works. Used to use more expensive loads, but not much difference with my shooting skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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