jimthefish Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) Lets hear your veiws Edited January 6, 2011 by jimthefish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) Views? You mean what we think of each round? Well... .22lr - Good for close range work. Quiet with subs and cheap to run. Everyone should have one! It does bounce around a lot though so take care with it. Because it's so mild mannered it's easy to forget just how much damage it can do if misused! It's like shooting a 100ft-lbs air rifle! HMR - Good for longer range vermin work if you A. Don't expect it to be a centrefire or B. Don't need a centrefire for bigger quarry. It's not quiet and costs more to run than the .22lr. Personally I prefer the .22 Hornet but to use one you have to be a keen home loader for it to be an advantage. The HMR is great for new shots who need more range on bunnies without the bother of all that! Also, it doesn't ricochet like the .22lr. Edited January 6, 2011 by njc110381 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 You need them both! .22RF cheap to feed. Very quiet. Kills bunnies nicely but you need more skill and an accurate range if further away as the trajectory drops off. I will shoot out to ~70 metres, depending on the shot. Less affected by the wind. Does ricochet. .17HMR accurate, just point and shoot. I will confidently take shots 100m plus and kill cleanly, and I'm no expert marksman! Good if the bunny a little lamp shy or thinks it's out of the dangerzone. Noisy and cost 2.5 times as much each time you pull the trigger. Myself I would usually take the .17 in the day, and take the .22 lamping. For some unexplained reason the HMR is more fun to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 i love the 17 hmr !!!! its a awsum round flat shooting and ive had shots out to 112 m (range finder )on a rabbit. and you can get more out of it for sure. 22 lr i use for ranges up to about 70 m ..ive got a old bsa rifle with no mod so i always use sub rounds when out hunting still got a crack but its better than super sonic .my vote would be for 17 hmr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I agree with Apache, in an ideal world you'd have both but if I could only have one I'd keep the LR. Although I principally use the HMR during the day for laying up and the LR for lamping. I do often find myself sticking both in the 4x4 when going lamping and sometimes the LR doesn't come out of it's slip. I shouldn't really as under the lamp most of my shots (out to about 100 yards) "could" have been taken with LR. As said above, the LR is much cheaper to feed and quieter but needs good range estimation for those 70-100yard shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 The old chestnut.... One is not better than the other, they are different and each have their uses, much of which has been mentioned above. If you had to select one, then you need to look at the situation, of land, distance, quarry, neighbours, noise, etc, etc and then get the most appropriate. People always mention cost as well, I can understand that, but getting the right tool for the job should not be... I got the .22lr because I couldn't afford the HMR ammo! I use them both, and a few more as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotland rifles Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 simples. they both have a space in my cabinet, i sold both my cz 22lr and 17hmr to get the sako quad with the interchangeable barrels as i don't use the 22 much,, wish i had kept them both now as the sako is good but not that good, i have sold the 22lr barrel and gone and got a 22lr rifle CZ again, as its all been said above the 8 gun cabinet is full with not a shotgun to be seen. bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Has to be the .22 for me,don't have to wear my ear plugs ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 17HMR with a moderator is very quiet Scully! Personally I don't like the HMR as a round, it's trying to be a CF but without the grunt at longer ranges. I do homeload, so I prefer the 22 Hornet. Mine is as accurate as any HMR, and delivers a hell of a lot more punch. It costs me the same to run, so I can't argue with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidTOZ Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Is there somewhere a video that shows how much noisier the moderated HMR is in comparison to a .22lr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 17HMR with a moderator is very quiet Scully! Personally I don't like the HMR as a round, it's trying to be a CF but without the grunt at longer ranges. I do homeload, so I prefer the 22 Hornet. Mine is as accurate as any HMR, and delivers a hell of a lot more punch. It costs me the same to run, so I can't argue with it! A mate has a HMR,but I don't know what sort of mod' he has on it but it's too loud for me(without ear defenders)when it goes off next to me.Seems louder than my .22 mag' which isn't moderated,and gives off more of a 'boom' than the HMR's 'crack'.Maybe it's his mod'. I'll stick with my .22lr,especially for lamping,but must admit I've always fancied a Hornet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I love my .22lr for rabbiting full stop. If its really close I prefer my .177 anyway! For lamping my .22 is absolutely brilliant and always means the bunny is eatable. I've not got an hmr but I hear they tend to make a bit of a mess of the quarry? On a really good day when I'm on top form (rare), I can nail a bunny out to 100 yards, but usually keep it down to 75 or less. 50 yards seems about average. Even when I've got bigger calibres for stalking, I'll always have a rimmie in the cabinet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckytrigger Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) Ive always had at least one 22lr since gaining my fac but briefly had a .17hmr but soon got rid as was way too noisy and much more expensive to 'run' compared to a rimmy and on my shoots the extra range you gain with .17hmr doesnt really matter. Edited January 7, 2011 by luckytrigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 i am sick of this old subject,and wish u well in quest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian750 Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 i am sick of this old subject,and wish u well in quest. Must admit it does get kind of tiresome, but I'll put my usual, I have both and love both for different reasons. .22lr is essential if noise is an issue, but you need to be VERY sure of your ranges if you zero around 55-60 yards and want to be able to shoot out to 80-90 yards, the bullet drops away alarmingly after this. .17hmr has a flat trajectory out to around 120 yards, but I find it very suspect if there is a breeze, if it's gusty I leave it in the cabinet. Also the hmr does make a fair old crack even with a moderator fitted, it's a LOT louder than the .22lr. I only have these two, but a mate of mine does not like the hmr for noise reasons, he reckons you may as well have .22 CF and a lot more stopping power if you're going to make all that noise!! Hope this helps, ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 .22lr is essential if noise is an issue, but you need to be VERY sure of your ranges if you zero around 55-60 yards and want to be able to shoot out to 80-90 yards, the bullet drops away alarmingly after this. .17hmr has a flat trajectory out to around 120 yards, but I find it very suspect if there is a breeze, if it's gusty I leave it in the cabinet. Also the hmr does make a fair old crack even with a moderator fitted, it's a LOT louder than the .22lr. I only have these two, but a mate of mine does not like the hmr for noise reasons, he reckons you may as well have .22 CF and a lot more stopping power if you're going to make all that noise!! Hope this helps, ATB Good points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy dog Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 IMHO both calibers have their uses. Iv never owned a .22lr but a friend does own one, who iv been out with many at time lamping with it. Takes bunnies to a medium range and is reasonably quiet. But i wasn't fond of the bullets wizzing off into the night, if he missed. ( Very Rare Indeed ). So i opted for the hmr, a bit more costly to run. But if you think of the price of beer these days about £3.50+ in a lot of area's, and the average person drinking 10+ pints in a night. Work that out over the month if you go out at least once a week. And you'll find buying 500 round batches of HMR ammo a little more cost effective. About £105 for a batch of 500 down my way. As for quietness of the hmr, well yes its more audible then .22rim, but i think it does the job much better being way more accurate. And if your a marksman of reasonable experience, i think you'll find they dont hear the crack, as the quarry would be dead before the noise emits from the shot lol. And if i have missed, i find rabbits more often freeze or look up to see whats making the loud bang. By that time you have reloaded an hopeully dropped it the scond time of asking. DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Since i bought mine i have never looked back, makes any .22 rimmy redundant and does everything a .22 rimmy will do and more. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Since i bought mine i have never looked back, makes any .22 rimmy redundant and does everything a .22 rimmy will do and more. Ian. So, whats the score with meat damage? I eat all healthy rabbits I get, so this is important to me. I've heard that they (hmr) make a bit of a mess, unless you just take head shots. What's the reality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 As much as I like the .17HMR,I don't think the .22rf will be made redundant somehow.One of the worlds most popular calibres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 90 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) So, whats the score with meat damage? I eat all healthy rabbits I get, so this is important to me. I've heard that they (hmr) make a bit of a mess, unless you just take head shots. What's the reality? I sold my .22lr as it was just an ornament in my cabinet, If you intend eating them - Head shots only !!!!! Edited January 8, 2011 by V8 90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 As said, head shots for max meat. I sell most of mine but the stray shot ones (low neck and upper chest) are used for our somerset stews! never had one that was unusable yet. Lets face it most of the meat is on the saddle any way. atvb Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 So, whats the score with meat damage? I eat all healthy rabbits I get, so this is important to me. I've heard that they (hmr) make a bit of a mess, unless you just take head shots. What's the reality? I head or chest shoot them and even with the HMR the most you'd lose is the very front part of the saddle if you hit it high in the chest. Never had one that was unusable, if you're selling them they may not be so keen on large visible chest wounds but for your own consumption I think the HMR/meat damage thing is a bit of a myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian750 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 So, whats the score with meat damage? I eat all healthy rabbits I get, so this is important to me. I've heard that they (hmr) make a bit of a mess, unless you just take head shots. What's the reality? To be honest I find the HMR so accurate I only ever go for head shots anyway, you'll find the entrance wound tiny, it's the exit wound that's a bit messier than the .22lr. Had a couple of poor shots before where I've hit them high in the chest but even so the meat damage was minimal. I personally don't think it makes the .22lr redundant though, especially at night, just my opinion but I much prefer to use the .22lr under lamp. I also shoot in the field next door to the one with my horses in it, whilst they do get used to the crack of the HMR, there is always a quick gallop around after the first few shots. Personally for me, I will keep both as I have a use for both, but this may not be relevant to everyone. Hope this helps. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 A good contribution thanks Ian. Happy so far with my .22lr and agree its fab for lamping Next-up .243 ! Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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