Vince Green Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) dont talk silly mate,I have 2 rifles which will easy produce 2 inch and less at 500 yards,yes they are custom built rifles but both are hunting rifles,whats special ammunition ?? its off the shelf componets which anyone can buy and put together I attended a shoot at Bisley with a gun club a couple of months ago I have never shot on a range in my life,we went on the 600 yard target in the afternoon,after the first shot to make sure i was dialed in correctly every shot after that (6) was the V bull,so no fluke mate,you would obvioulsy be amazed at what a modern sporting firearm with correct reloading can do dont judge people by your own standards mate The V bull at 600 yds is over 6" in diameter. By special ammunition I mean the "dumpies" ammunition with a combustion chamber as close to spherical as the designers can make them. Short and very fat, as used by the bench rest crowd. No conventional round with a case several times longer than its diameter can burn the powder consistantly enough for extreme accuracy. I will judge people by how they shoot not by what they say, Im not one of them but I see how the internationals shoot at Bisley. I am,when I can be, down in the butts scoring for them in the Queens prize. People come from all over the world, Canada, Australia, USA, South Africa etc at great personal expense so they most be among the best in the World. I have never seen a 2" group, I've never seen a 6" group at 600yds. I think there has only been one perfect score in the last 30 years at 600yds, and he didn't go on to win it. I know there have been 4" groups at 1000 yds by top flight benchresters but thats a whole different ballgame and rifles costing zillions. Thats not really in the stalking rifle class. Edited April 1, 2011 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 The V bull at 600 yds is over 6" in diameter. Yeah, we need this guy on our UK team don't we now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_gun Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Well, going back to the original question... My Howa .243 (Varmint barrel) absolutely hated Privi 90g rounds - Proper shotgun patterns even at 50 yds!. Didn't even bother trying the box of Privi 100g I also had. Absolutely spot on with either Federal 85g or home loads in either 58g or 70g. Probably worth trying the 90g Privi but I wouldn't raise your hopes too much. A bit lighter certainly seems to suit the 1:10 twist barrel much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) If you can produce a group like this at 500yds with a std stalking rifle you will win every hunter class bench rest comp going. Talking the talk is a lot easier than walking the walk Ackley, if you can put those 500 yds 2" group on target you are easily the best f class shooter in the uk, i have done the competitive shooting thing a time or two lets say and it has little relivence to stalking and woundn't ever dream of stalking with the rig you need to shoot bug hole groups at 500yds, quite simply i would be to darn tired at the end of the stalk and couldn't shoot the blooming thing off hand or kneeling without suport. My foxing and stalking partner is perhaps one of the top three PR shots in the country currently and i have personally recorded the groups you talk of in competition- not often as they are as i say garantted wins against the very best. Fact is i wouldn't shoot at a 500yds Deer unless it was my best opertunity at stopping a wounder so a 500yds group is irrelivent to me from a stalking rifle though mine is actually capable of three shot screamers with my handloads @100yds - indeed a gun more capable than EVEN THE GREAT ME! The only thing relivent to this exchange is respect for our quarry and honestly about our abilities "in the field". If you won't stalk with someone who can't do 2" at 100yds that sort of discounts the great Richard Prior doesn't it? as he openly admitteded failing the higher std test set by St Huberts first time round you should read my posts a little better mate I never said i had a "standard stalking rifle" I said i had "sporting rifles" I dont shoot BR comps they dont interest me but i do practice and feild test so i know exaclty what my rig and i are capable of,again dont judge people by your own standards by the way a 600 yard Br target is the X ring is 3" in diameter and the 10 ring is 6" in diameter I hit(witnessed) 6 V bulls (X ring 3 inch) out of 7 shots the 1st shot was a sighter (hit the 10 ring),the rifle is a true 1/2 MOA rifle (prooven) Edited April 2, 2011 by Ackley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 My .243 will do inch or so groups at 100 with Prvi 90gr. I'd try them to start with because if they work for you it's a money saver! Why pay more if they work? Also, we're talking field shooting here not a pair of bags to rest on and a couple of minutes to take the shot. If you can drop to the ground, get the Deer in the scope and let the shot off within say five seconds - that's a field shot. No knobbing about getting comfortable, just get down and shoot. 2" is then quite alright. I can shoot a 1/2" group at 100 yards with bags. I've not got a hope of doing that on a chilly morning after hiking a couple of miles up a damn great hill to find a Deer. I've got a friend who owns his own range and shoots maybe 2-300 Deer per year. I'll ask him what he expects to group in the field vs what he expects to group on his range and I bet it's not the same figure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 you should read my posts a little better mate I never said i had a "standard stalking rifle" I said i had "sporting rifles" I dont shoot BR comps they dont interest me but i do practice and feild test so i know exaclty what my rig and i are capable of,again dont judge people by your own standards by the way a 600 yard Br target is the X ring is 3" in diameter and the 10 ring is 6" in diameter I hit(witnessed) 6 V bulls (X ring 3 inch) out of 7 shots the 1st shot was a sighter (hit the 10 ring),the rifle is a true 1/2 MOA rifle (prooven) Again showing your lack of knoledge Bench rest (BR) is scored by group size best individual and best average not placement on any target.When did i mention you were using anything standard? you are obviously well away from anything standard, indeed a 2" group at 500yds as you claim will more than likely win you best group of the year at any of the big clubs like Diggle or bisley and your gun would be shooting well below 1/2 moa to achieve it via anything but fluke. Realy you should shoot competitively if your that good, like i say you will win everything (unless your having a bad day) - though i supose it just doesn't interest you as you already know how good you are and have nothing to proove. Like i still say 2" @ 100yds is quite exeptable for factory ammo factory rifle for stalking and i know many fine stalkers who i doubt can shoot that well even but they do know deer and how to get in close enough to make a good job of things. The average stalker is level 1 qualified these days and if you visit the range tests you will find many having second goes at it were they only need 4" to pass_ rightly or wrongly that is the standard set for the low ground test, yep twice as good is still good enough by my books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Again showing your lack of knoledge Bench rest (BR) is scored by group size best individual and best average not placement on any target.When did i mention you were using anything standard? you are obviously well away from anything standard, indeed a 2" group at 500yds as you claim will more than likely win you best group of the year at any of the big clubs like Diggle or bisley and your gun would be shooting well below 1/2 moa to achieve it via anything but fluke. Realy you should shoot competitively if your that good, like i say you will win everything (unless your having a bad day) - though i supose it just doesn't interest you as you already know how good you are and have nothing to proove. Like i still say 2" @ 100yds is quite exeptable for factory ammo factory rifle for stalking and i know many fine stalkers who i doubt can shoot that well even but they do know deer and how to get in close enough to make a good job of things. The average stalker is level 1 qualified these days and if you visit the range tests you will find many having second goes at it were they only need 4" to pass_ rightly or wrongly that is the standard set for the low ground test, yep twice as good is still good enough by my books as i said which you obviousy didnt read ot understand BR isnt my thing and your quite right i dont understand the scoring,all Iam interested in is that my rigs and I are capable of consistant accuaracy at a range Iam happy to hunt at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 as i said which you obviousy didnt read ot understand BR isnt my thing and your quite right i dont understand the scoring,all Iam interested in is that my rigs and I are capable of consistant accuaracy at a range Iam happy to hunt at Oh yes i read it and understood it very well thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 what ever mate I didnt intend on paying for anything as you gave me the invite and i dont need to travle all the way up Scotalnd to shoot a 2 inch group at 500 yards ,obvioulsy you are judging people by your own standards just because you cannot do it dosent mean others cant ,as I said educate yourself in what a modern sporting rifle can actually acheieve as to deer ruinning 200 ot 300 yards obvioulsy you aint shot Sika or reds with people whos rifle can only manage 2 inch at 100 yards what shooting 2 inch on a DSC course got anything to do with it ?? or are you saying they set the standard ?? so thats what we all have to be happy with ?? you will be telling me next no one can shoot deer at 500 yards here you go maye 2x4 shot groups fireforming at 500 yards obvioulsy the group on the target spot was adjusted for wind but I suspose your going to say now it didnt happen hmm interseting thred this firstly 2ich at 500 is do-able! second you ackley whilst i have no dout you are a tru gent, thou i will never meet you to know for certian. you are full of **** at times! no deer shot properly will run 200-300 yards my left nut. i shoot over 50 A YEAR and more with clients 2 inch is perfectly good for any thing at 100 yards,all my rifles can shoot a deers eye out if i wanted to but even 4inch will drop deer on the spot most times! i think you need to start shooting real deer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) hmm interseting thred this firstly 2ich at 500 is do-able! second you ackley whilst i have no dout you are a tru gent, thou i will never meet you to know for certian. you are full of **** at times! no deer shot properly will run 200-300 yards my left nut. i shoot over 50 A YEAR and more with clients 2 inch is perfectly good for any thing at 100 yards,all my rifles can shoot a deers eye out if i wanted to but even 4inch will drop deer on the spot most times! i think you need to start shooting real deer! what you on about,deer running 200/300 yards whats wrong with your left nut,you should get yourself to the doctors mate you ovioulsy have never seem a Sika hit smack bang in the heart and take off like its been missed,jump a fence and end up a long way in a wood Iam glad you say 2inch at 500 yard is dooable,its makes me feel a lot better,obvioulsy i wasnt seeing things at the time i shot it (twice) Edited April 3, 2011 by Ackley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) All animals struck fair and square can run, its just one of those things that happens from time to time. no point in dwelling upon it,its just the way these things work out. If we could say we always grassed it on the spot that would be nice but the instinct to flee is very strong. Edited April 3, 2011 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 All animals struck fair and square can run, its just one of those things that happens from time to time. no point in dwelling upon it,its just the way these things work out. If we could say we always grassed it on the spot that would be nice but the instinct to flee is very strong. And harder to do anything about if you shoot it and it runs when shot at 500 yards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcoat Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Hi my brno .243 loves norma 100grn, tight groups and kills deer cleanly, i tend to shoot 100yrds or less, if you are foxing you will probably be shooting 200yrds maybe, the point is, every rifle is different, mine is awful with winchester 80 grn softpoints, there is no substitute for practice and trying different bullet weights and brands. regards and good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 what ever mate I didnt intend on paying for anything as you gave me the invite and i dont need to travle all the way up Scotalnd to shoot a 2 inch group at 500 yards ,obvioulsy you are judging people by your own standards just because you cannot do it dosent mean others cant ,as I said educate yourself in what a modern sporting rifle can actually acheieve as to deer ruinning 200 ot 300 yards obvioulsy you aint shot Sika or reds with people whos rifle can only manage 2 inch at 100 yards what shooting 2 inch on a DSC course got anything to do with it ?? or are you saying they set the standard ?? so thats what we all have to be happy with ?? you will be telling me next no one can shoot deer at 500 yards here you go maye 2x4 shot groups fireforming at 500 yards obvioulsy the group on the target spot was adjusted for wind but I suspose your going to say now it didnt happen That's an awfully small target for use at 500yds! what scope do you use? surprised you can see the red spot behind the reticule. that aside, this thread has got into a bit of a c0ck measuring contest on who can do what with what rifle. not what the OP asked. I have seen guys put three in a 3" bull at 100yd on the range then the same day miss a 75yd hind because their heart was pumping so hard and the nerves set in. cant say I have ever shot less than a 2" group with factory or any other ammo in the 270, mind you at 100yds through a 4x32 scope the bull is very small and mostly obscured by the reticule. Cant think of the last time I shot a red deer beyond 100yd though. its called stalking not sniping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 That's an awfully small target for use at 500yds! what scope do you use? surprised you can see the red spot behind the reticule. that aside, this thread has got into a bit of a c0ck measuring contest on who can do what with what rifle. not what the OP asked. I have seen guys put three in a 3" bull at 100yd on the range then the same day miss a 75yd hind because their heart was pumping so hard and the nerves set in. cant say I have ever shot less than a 2" group with factory or any other ammo in the 270, mind you at 100yds through a 4x32 scope the bull is very small and mostly obscured by the reticule. Cant think of the last time I shot a red deer beyond 100yd though. its called stalking not sniping. welcome to the age of the modern sporting firearm and modern optics,gone are the days when your X hairs on your 6x42 are like jesus christ on the cross,the scope used is a nightforce NSX with a NP2 DD ret,the finest smallest ret evere etched onto glass and can pin point bullets holes as to shooting deer at distance theres those than can those that cant and those that havnt got a clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 welcome to the age of the modern sporting firearm and modern optics,gone are the days when your X hairs on your 6x42 are like jesus christ on the cross,the scope used is a nightforce NSX with a NP2 DD ret,the finest smallest ret evere etched onto glass and can pin point bullets holes as to shooting deer at distance theres those than can those that cant and those that havnt got a clue And with your attitude of "those who can't" you put yourself in the "those who haven't got a clue" section.... Stop using the same reply to everything that others cant, just because we don't doesn't mean we can't... You say about these "500 yard" shots and then in the next breath comment on how you have seen plenty of beasts run on after a shot, that in itself shows you to be a fool! Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 sssch or I'll mention your 2" grouping with an HMR on a fox running round in circles can't do the same with a .243 but with the HMR on a moving target .............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Alex... There's those that do and those that come on internet forums to spout rubbish :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Alex... There's those that do and those that come on internet forums to spout rubbish :yp: And you two are on here quite a bit... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Touche wee sweaty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 how did this get from Gixer just about being able to hit a dinner plate at 100 yards to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Touche wee sweaty Welcome guffy how did this get from Gixer just about being able to hit a dinner plate at 100 yards to this Just about.....a big dinner plate mind, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 And with your attitude of "those who can't" you put yourself in the "those who haven't got a clue" section.... Stop using the same reply to everything that others cant, just because we don't doesn't mean we can't... You say about these "500 yard" shots and then in the next breath comment on how you have seen plenty of beasts run on after a shot, that in itself shows you to be a fool! Regards, Gixer thats right might "I aint got a clue" thats why I can do things with a rilfe you can only dream about, yes i havesiad "Ive seenpleant beasts run on after a shot" again my old mate your not reading thing quite right and getting a little confused I said "IHAD SEEN" not that i had done grow up mate seems the only person who is getting upset and is obviouly in question of there ability is "you" stick with your ols shot out riflw mate and optics dating back to the dark ages LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) thats right might "I aint got a clue" thats why I can do things with a rilfe you can only dream about, yes i havesiad "Ive seenpleant beasts run on after a shot" again my old mate your not reading thing quite right and getting a little confused I said "IHAD SEEN" not that i had done grow up mate seems the only person who is getting upset and is obviouly in question of there ability is "you" stick with your ols shot out riflw mate and optics dating back to the dark ages LOL upset? You've got it wrong Pete im not upset... And I doubt there's anything you can do that I or anyone else dream about....or couldn't do if we bothered or wanted to.... Your a legend in your own mind P.s.- who's Ihad? No relation to Ahmed or Mohammed is he? Edited April 7, 2011 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 gone are the days when your X hairs on your 6x42 are like jesus christ on the cross,the scope used .. Is this a reference to that ancient and modern stalking song "There is a green hill far away, without a city wall. " ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.