Redgum Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 I have 243 with deer n fox on my license, my local firearms dept wanted me to take my DSC1 before I apply for deer and deer calibre. Now I thought I knew the law but a lad I know who has just got a 223 variation was told by his RFD that he could shoot Muntjac and CWD without a deer condition on his license. What is the law on this, I thought you had to have deer on your ticket to shoot any deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 You must have a deer condition to shoot them (this is excluding the farmer crop damage shotgun rule). The RFD is talking out of his rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 When less powerful calibres became legal for muntjac and the like in England and Wales I believe that people were afforded grandfather rights on their ticket as such until their renewal to shoot them as it saved many licences having to be ammended. However it should then state them under the conditions once the renewal came around. Might be wrong but that's how I remember it. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 FM, you're right. Was a while ago now though so most will have renewed. (but here's a thing, fox & any other legal quarry also = deer perfectly legally, so long as it is CWD and muntjac only (England and Wales) with appropriate ammo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) I recently renewed my ticket I asked for small deer to go on the .223 I was told not area policy to put deer on less than .240 so it came back with deer on my .243 only, why oh why regions still vary in the days of instant communication accross the world I will never know, they still also dont do "legal quarry" bit, all species allowed are still listed with individual guns. KW Edited April 2, 2011 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 what a load of tosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 When less powerful calibres became legal for muntjac and the like in England and Wales I believe that people were afforded grandfather rights on their ticket as such until their renewal to shoot them as it saved many licences having to be ammended. However it should then state them under the conditions once the renewal came around. Might be wrong but that's how I remember it. FM Put simply that was it, it was August 2007 I seem to recall, so many will have renewed, and you will have to ask at renewal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted April 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 So if you have a 223 that you would like to use to control muntjac it would have to have a deer condition stated on the license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 So if you have a 223 that you would like to use to control muntjac it would have to have a deer condition stated on the license. For any NEW or Renewal FAC since August 2007 my understanding is YES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 I believe I am right in saying that the so called grandfather rights only applied to smaller calibers if and only if you already had deer on your ticket for a larger caliber. ie. if you had deer on your .243 then you were ok to use your .223 for small deer untill your renewal when you would need to request and be granted deer for your .223. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootingman Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 I believe I am right in saying that the so called grandfather rights only applied to smaller calibers if and only if you already had deer on your ticket for a larger caliber. ie. if you had deer on your .243 then you were ok to use your .223 for small deer untill your renewal when you would need to request and be granted deer for your .223. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 I believe I am right in saying that the so called grandfather rights only applied to smaller calibers if and only if you already had deer on your ticket for a larger caliber. ie. if you had deer on your .243 then you were ok to use your .223 for small deer untill your renewal when you would need to request and be granted deer for your .223. Charlie There has been a lot of water under the bridge since August 2007, but I'm pretty sure it was fine for CWD/Muntjac as long as you had a tool for field use, not simply TARGET conditions. I could be wrong! Whilst CWD/Muntjac are still covered by the Deer Acts the police regions do not appear to have the same sort of respect for them as the BDS, and I generally see conditions for these granted without much problem, but then again, we are going to have regional variations for a good while yet I suspect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 There has been a lot of water under the bridge since August 2007, but I'm pretty sure it was fine for CWD/Muntjac as long as you had a tool for field use, not simply TARGET conditions. I could be wrong! Whilst CWD/Muntjac are still covered by the Deer Acts the police regions do not appear to have the same sort of respect for them as the BDS, and I generally see conditions for these granted without much problem, but then again, we are going to have regional variations for a good while yet I suspect! Well you could hardly (legally) shoot one if you only had a target condition could you. What a daft statement to bring into the conversation. And whats this tool buisness......when I refer to my tractor I call it a tractor not a tool same goes for my hammer, dog and gun. Must be some sort of Thames Valley thing. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 I have a .223 on my closed ticket for fox/muntjac/cwd and no mentoring or deer course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 me too, got open ticket up to 223 & 22/250. my 6.5 is restricted tho but still have fox, munty,& CWD on all C/Fs except 7.62 which is target only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Well you could hardly (legally) shoot one if you only had a target condition could you. What a daft statement to bring into the conversation. That was a statement worded into the conditions to substantiate the fact not ANY .22CF holder could shoot CWD/Muntjac after the 2007 Amendment! NOT my words. And whats this tool buisness......when I refer to my tractor I call it a tractor not a tool same goes for my hammer, dog and gun. Must be some sort of Thames Valley thing. I use the right tools for the job, there are lots for deer, even the small ones, tools works, tractors are not strictly legal on deer! Charlie ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 I have 243 with deer n fox on my license, my local firearms dept wanted me to take my DSC1 before I apply for deer and deer calibre. Doesn't make sense RG, you already have the Deer Condition on your Cert. Why would you have to take the DSC-1 (not required)to apply for a Deer caliber, when you already have a Deer caliber :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted April 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 Doesn't make sense RG, you already have the Deer Condition on your Cert. Why would you have to take the DSC-1 (not required)to apply for a Deer caliber, when you already have a Deer caliber :blink: I will rephrase it for ya,bad spelling, I meant before I applied for the deer variation I now have originally my force wanted the dsc1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 ATB! My No 2 daughter lives in Maidenhead and we go up there once a year to stay for two or three nights, next time we're up I'll PM you as I'd like to meet up and buy you a drink..........you deserve one to make up for the grief I give you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 My No 2 daughter lives in Maidenhead and we go up there once a year to stay for two or three nights, next time we're up I'll PM you as I'd like to meet up and buy you a drink..........you deserve one to make up for the grief I give you. You're not wrong there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 And whats this tool buisness......when I refer to my tractor I call it a tractor not a tool same goes for my hammer, dog and gun. Must be some sort of Thames Valley thing. Charlie, don't tar all Thames Valley residents with the Dekers brush please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Charlie, don't tar all Thames Valley residents with the Dekers brush please I would'nt dare, you or my daughter would kill me !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) Charlie, don't tar all Thames Valley residents with the Dekers brush please Why not, he's getting a drink out of it. On the OP, my .223 slot originally said Fox and Deer (CWD and Muntjac) but when the licence came back after being opened the .223 now just says any legal quarry now. Not a big issue for me as I have a .243 on an open condition so I'll probably never fill the .223 slot but I do agree some consistency would be good. Edited April 5, 2011 by Colster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 I used to have pest control and fox on my .223, when I went for my .243 the FEO actually asked whether I had shot many muntjac with the .223. Slightly shocked and wondering if it was a trick question I said no as I hadn't got deer as a condition on it. Makes me wonder whether he did class them under the pest clause now probably should have clarified it but as I hadn't it wasn't that relevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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