What the World thinks of shooters

[JAT]

My company has today put in a new security screening on our web system. I now cannot access sites that depict:-

 

fear and intimidation

bad example for children

tobacco

alcohol

gambling

which will incite discrimination

bad language

nudity

sexual material

violence

Depiction of Weapon use (this is actually second on the list) and means I cannot access any shooting sites. Not sure how Pigeon Watch is still accessable?

 

So, I now find myself linked with every nasty human trait just because I like to shoot. So I guess the world thinks we are all murdering, sexual deviants who drink, gamble, swear and smoke and cannot be trusted to go on the internet.

[sitsinhedges]

You're supposed to go to work to do a job, not spend all day watching porn and shooting

Edited April 7, 2011 by sitsinhedges

[Breastman]

The local authority i work for had an internet ban on 'weapons'. After i bored the head of IT to death explaining that not all firearms are weapons, and that there is far more violence caused by football etc he eventually gave shooting websites firewall clearance.

 

Mark

[Rushjob]

After i bored the head of IT to death explaining that not all firearms are weapons,.....

Mark

 

How did you manage that?

 

( Bearing in mind the definition of a Firearm in the UK is " a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged " )

 

[Billy.]

How did you manage that?

 

( Bearing in mind the definition of a Firearm in the UK is " a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged " )

 

 

A gun is a gun and a knife is a knife.

 

A weapon is an instrument of attack.

[Rushjob]

A gun is a gun and a knife is a knife.

 

A weapon is an instrument of attack.

 

Actually a weapon is a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

[Breastman]

How did you manage that?

 

( Bearing in mind the definition of a Firearm in the UK is " a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged " )

 

 

It was pretty simple, I showed him the dictionary definition of a weapon;

 

“any instrument used for attack or defence, i.e. a knife, rifle, club”

 

And I didn’t show him any Firearms Acts!

 

However, its my belief that the use of the word “weapon” in firearms legislation is out of date and inaccurate for S1 & S2 guns, however the acts also cover police and military S5 firearms which are weapons (in the dictionary definition of the word).

 

Also the language of firearms legislation was written when a ‘good reason’ for owning a firearm was self-defence, therefore the term weapon was accurate (until 1953). It may also be something as simple as requiring a ‘catch-all’ word to describe S1 FIREARMS, S2 SHOTGUNS and S5 WEAPONS. The sole use of the word ‘firearm’ could cause confusion if people mistake it to mean an S1 gun, when they are actually referring to an S2 shotgun. The matter is further complicated by there being S1 AND S2 shotguns! :blink:

 

 

Mark

[Breastman]

Actually a weapon is a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

 

And? Most rifles are designed and built for target shooting or pest control and most shotguns are designed and built for clays or bird shooting. (In this country) Yes they may have their origins in war but that doesn't mean modern firearms are actually seige engines (what the first firearms were used for)

 

Mark

[Billy.]

Actually a weapon is a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.

 

Couldn't help but notice that what I said in seven words, you just said in fourteen.

[Rushjob]

To me, anyone who carries a firearm and does not consider it to be a weapon with it's potential to kill or seriously injure, has missed out or forgotten something as regards weapon safety.

 

I know that every time I remove one of mine from the safe, I have a real responsibility to maintain high standards in drills and handling, fully knowing the state of my weapon at all times.

 

Trying to redefine what you are carrying thereby hiding its lethal potential concerns me.

 

Then again, I can't erase what was instilled in me by my Instructors and Range Officers and wouldn't want to.

 

Endex.

 

PS. Mark, re your comment re modern guns and their use against clays and birds - how do you shoot either without damaging or injuring them? :blink:

[Billy.]

To me, anyone who carries a firearm and does not consider it to be a weapon with it's potential to kill or seriously injure, has missed out or forgotten something as regards weapon safety.

 

I know that every time I remove one of mine from the safe, I have a real responsibility to maintain high standards in drills and handling, fully knowing the state of my weapon at all times.

 

Trying to redefine what you are carrying thereby hiding its lethal potential concerns me.

 

Then again, I can't erase what was instilled in me by my Instructors and Range Officers and wouldn't want to.

 

 

Not really sure at what point I became a huge liability by not calling my rifle a weapon. I could call it whatever I like, but I still know what it's capable of.

 

What you're saying about 'hiding its lethal potential' is just ridiculous. My dog is called Jasper, not "An Animal which no matter how much I trust, should not be left with a child"

 

Do you call your car a weapon too? They're pretty deadly.

Edited April 7, 2011 by Billy.

[Breastman]

To me, anyone who carries a firearm and does not consider it to be a weapon with it's potential to kill or seriously injure, has missed out or forgotten something as regards weapon safety.

 

I know that every time I remove one of mine from the safe, I have a real responsibility to maintain high standards in drills and handling, fully knowing the state of my weapon at all times.

 

Trying to redefine what you are carrying thereby hiding its lethal potential concerns me.

 

Then again, I can't erase what was instilled in me by my Instructors and Range Officers and wouldn't want to.

 

Endex.

 

PS. Mark, re your comment re modern guns and their use against clays and birds - how do you shoot either without damaging or injuring them? :blink:

 

I only consider the terms ‘attack or defence’ in relation to other humans. I don’t ‘attack’ or defend myself from clays or birds!

 

From the language you use I’m guessing you’ve had military service, in which case you have been using weapons, therefore it would be perfectly natural for you to refer to your civvie firearms as weapons.

 

However, any civilian who has an understanding of the meaning of the word ‘weapon’, and then refers to their firearms as weapons I’d be extremely wary of, and depending on their behaviour I’d be reporting to the police! :look:

 

It is the INTENT in the word weapon that is important. I would regard anyone who refers to their guns as weapons (who i didn't know had been in the military) as a weirdo/nutcase personally! :yp:

 

Mark

Edited April 7, 2011 by Breastman

[Harnser]

I have never owned any weapons . All the guns that I have owned over the years have been for field sports or target shooting . To my mind a weapon is used for offensive or defensive measures .

 

Harnser .

[edr]

Try Here

 

If its blocked pm me for a list. It should get past all standard firewalls ASLONG AS 1) You remeber the 's' in httpS:// and that your servers do not use securicas etc. (mointor's and screen shots your action's on anything that it thinks is in appropriate). The 2nd is rare as it costs alot and is mostly not needed.

 

EDR

[TaxiDriver]

PS. Mark, re your comment re modern guns and their use against clays and birds - how do you shoot either without damaging or injuring them? :blink:

perhaps he doesnt hit 'em :lol:

[Vipa]

The original sole design intention of all bows, spears, guns, rifles, pistols was to kill other humans. They are therefore all 'weapons' irrespective of thier modern day use.

 

A rifle just happens to be very good for target practice at 500 yards, just because that is it's current use doesn't take away the fact that it is and always will be a weapon as that is what it's design intention was.

 

Shotguns were born out of the wish to kill or incapacitate as many other humans as possible with as little effort as possible, they were the grandfather of WMDs, they were designed as weapons. Human ingenuity discovered firstly that they also made it easier to kill flying things then that they were also good at breaking flying targets... again, their actual use doesn't take away from their original design intention... they are weapons!

 

Billy's argument re the car does not stand... a car was designed as a means of transport, its original designed intention was just that. The fact that they can kill or be used as a 'weapon' does not detract from it's original design intention.

 

In other words, if you use a car to kill someone, the car is not from then on known as a weapon, it is still a car and a means of transport. Just because a rifle, at that specific point in time and with that user is being used as a means to determine ones steadiness and accuracy, it does not stop being a weapon and does not mean it becomes something else moving forward.

Edited April 13, 2011 by Vipa

[gixer1]

All this talk a "weapons" ... Is this still the heterosexual site it was?

[leeds chimp]

i just thought of full metal jacket

this is my rifle this is my gun

this is for killing and this is for fun

[Paul T]

Websites with weapons are banned on our system too.

 

Other blokes at work have no restrictions on golf websites, so I put it to the IT dept and the answer came back 'Well, golf clubs aren't illegal and you can't kill people with them.' :blink: :blink: :hmm: :lol:

 

Despite wishing to immediately point out the flaws in their argument I just replied with a simple 'No chance of negotiation?' A firm head shake and being shooed away told me it was a dead loss challenging the system. PW gets through though, as does Fieldsports Britain to fill in a lunchtime :yes:

[swiss.tony]

i do all of the above only one im missing is smokeing

[jackinbox99]

Try Here

 

If its blocked pm me for a list. It should get past all standard firewalls ASLONG AS 1) You remeber the 's' in httpS:// and that your servers do not use securicas etc. (mointor's and screen shots your action's on anything that it thinks is in appropriate). The 2nd is rare as it costs alot and is mostly not needed.

 

EDR

 

That was my first thoughts too. Try a different proxy or something like the above which should get around the problem!

 

Luckily my work place doesnt block anything. But then again im in charge of all the IT so it doesnt really matter. lol.

[wymberley]

I have never owned any weapons . All the guns that I have owned over the years have been for field sports or target shooting . To my mind a weapon is used for offensive or defensive measures .

 

Harnser .

Yep and also agree with Breastman except where he says it's natural for a ex/serviceman to refer to his sporting firearms as weapons. It isn't.

If you carry a weapon you are armed.

[Vipa]

Yep and also agree with Breastman except where he says it's natural for a ex/serviceman to refer to his sporting firearms as weapons. It isn't.

If you carry a weapon you are armed.

 

so, when you are in a field with a gun or rifle, you aren't armed

 

By definition, if you are carrying a loaded firearm you are armed. Doesn't matter what you intend to do with it, you are still armed.

 

Is everyone so embarrased, scared and desparate not to offend the general public by calling a spade a spade !!! The PC mentality is insiduous and is even creeping in here...

 

They are weapons, they were originally designed to kill other people, it is irrelevant what you are using it for now, it is still a weapon... what's the issue with the name

 

If I use the camcorder I have next to me to hammer a nail in it doesn't magically turn into a hammer... it's srill a camcorder... albeit a broken one now

 

Come on guys... get a grip! If you want to call your gun a teapot... fine, great, that's your prerogative... but it's still a weapon by any definition

 

The Oxford English Dictionary defines a weapon as:

 

n. A thing DESIGNED or used for inflicting bodiliy harm or physical damage.

 

Don't your guns do that Mine do!

Edited April 14, 2011 by Vipa

[DSPUK]

Anyone working for local councils - gov bodies or any company business or NHS - Police etc who is funded by the council tax payer should only have internet access to information that is relevent to the job they are doing - I would be peed of if I thought employees were surfing net in work time using work internet services to persue their hobby at my expense.

 

dave

[Albion]

I suppose the IT department would prefer you to stop trooping around the countryside intimidating people, and stay at your PC to play Grand Theft Auto.