6.5shooter Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Hello folks! Being mainly a centrefire rifle shooter of various calibres and a .22lr I find myself missing something in between them and have been wanting a .17 hmr lately. I have narrowed it down to two breeds of rifles. Cz Or Anschutz But which one? Im not worried about cost as its irrelivant as I just want one based on its performance and not cost. Which would you choose folks and why? Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 if cost isn't important then the Anschutz, you can make the CZ shoot as well but it usually needs some help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 cost irrelivent hey :unsure: the annie won't shoot better than the cz the limiting factor will always be ammo, wind and the guy on the trigger. depends which feels better to you. Cz triggers get called needlesly and changed too quickly often without giving them time, cz bolts and triggers just take time to smooth up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 if cost isn't important then the Anschutz, you can make the CZ shoot as well but it usually needs some help. gawd 'elp us, I agree! But (small but) you may just like to have a shufti at the Weihrauch. Don't know if it's still running, but The Sportsman were doing a package deal. One of our members did very nicely, thankyou. Of course, if you already home load the CF and as Anschutz no longer make them (think they may just change their mind), they do a cracking Hornet (HW 66) which is cheaper to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 My new(ish) CZ 452 HMR is very accurate, straight out of the box. It has an adjustable trigger pull which I have altered to suit me. No need to spend any more on more expensive rifles. Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannywayoflife Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Annie every time! They just feel smoother and I think the qc is slightly better on them. If you buy one second hand youll not lose much on it if you come to sell either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5shooter Posted April 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Which models in each make would you choose? Its mainly going to be used in my jeep for shooting crows and rabbits out the window quickly without having to range find it and hold over like my .22lr. I have most of my other spaces on my ticket used up with centrefires and id say this is what im left to choose from but it suits me anyway cus I spend enough time reloading for other rifles and its nice to just buy a few rounds and be hassle free for a change even though the little ****** will be as expensive to shoot as my 223 with reloads. I know cz do a 16" barrel and anschutz do a 14" barrel I think. These are the two models I would be interested in. What models do yoy fellas have? Regards Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Don't have one, but for the use that you describe it has to be the 14" Anschutz; I do the same but with the 14" LR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannywayoflife Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Go for the 14" Annie mate. I've got the 1517 and keep toying with the idea of shortening her to make it more pointy. But just buy one of the 14" models. Great rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I looked at both and ended up with the CZ. Both will shoot good groups so go with the one you like. Either one will be a great rifle. atvb Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbuster Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 Annie everytime if the funds are plentyfull. Got both .22 and hmr 14'' models. Lovely to use. With the short barrels it makes them really 'pointable'. Cant fault them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted April 19, 2011 Report Share Posted April 19, 2011 I have the CZ in short version. Shot two bunnies last night one 140 paces and one 120 paces standing off sticks with the HMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5shooter Posted April 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 I meant by money not being an issue as in id rather save a bit longer for the right gun. Im not loaded thats for sure. You fellas are swaying me towards the Anschutz carbine model. What sort of size groups are you fellas shooting with youre rifles? What is the norm? Half inch or more? Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 The Sako Quad is worth a look in as well (forgot about them until I saw NSS with his last night) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellebarto Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Have you not looked at the Savage HMR? They have a great range and probably fall somewhere between CZ and the Annie on the perceived quality scale. I have the Savage HMR and the .22 Annie. I'd say quality was very similar and my Savage thumbhole laminate HMR is the most sold feeling and accurate rifle I own. Adjustable 2 stage trigger is fantastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 (edited) Well I have a Quad Varmint cut to 16 inches and fitted with a few bits from here http://www.diproductsinc.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3601 , the Bolt **** especially needs replacing. Having said that I have owned CZ and Anschutz HMR's before this and this I far prefer. The Wood Stocked Varmint I have has a nice flat forend which is superb for shooting off a window bag. Fitted it with a 12 x 40 Leupold recently with a fine Duplex, was checking zero on Saturday at 100 yards and my 2nd five shot group was a single enlarged hole with the blue tips, they are a seriously good rifle. Edited April 20, 2011 by JRDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5shooter Posted April 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 I had a friend who had a sako quad and pulled his hair out because the accuracy was so bad. 1 inch somedays and then next day 2 inches. He sold it and bought a cz and never looked back. He blamed the switch barrel making its accuracy inconsistent. I have a savage 220 swift and its looks arent spectacular but boy does it shoot! Bullet on bullet!! I think its still between cz and Anschutz but the Anschutz has the edge at the mo. What sort if groups are you guys getting? Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellebarto Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Savage is giving me a touch under 1 inch groups at 100 yards. I dare say I could push it back further but I tend not shoot much over that on my permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 I had a friend who had a sako quad and pulled his hair out because the accuracy was so bad. 1 inch somedays and then next day 2 inches. He sold it and bought a cz and never looked back. He blamed the switch barrel making its accuracy inconsistent. I have a savage 220 swift and its looks arent spectacular but boy does it shoot! Bullet on bullet!! I think its still between cz and Anschutz but the Anschutz has the edge at the mo. What sort if groups are you guys getting? Garry Could have been the scope I had two brand new scopes (Hawke Tactical's)that would not hold a group of less that two inches and I got refunds on both. Changed the scope and accuracy back to the sublime, could have been any number of things causing the accuracy issue. If you over look the Quad you are missing a trick IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbuster Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 Grouping wise with the 14'' Annie is approx 3/4'' @ 100yrds, and im far from a great marksman! It'll do the job nicely and then some! Wheirach may also interest you mate-pretty sure they do a 14'' hmr too, and the quality of the rifle should be on par with the Annie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 How's it going......... Had a look at a CZ American last week,looks like a well made rifle for the money and by the chat of most lads on here and elsewhere accuracy is up to scratch. I'm looking for my first rimmy and I'm on a budget,and I think it fits the bill perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 I would agree that the CZ is the most gun for the money no doubt however the OP is not constrained financially so should buy the best he can, if he doesn't he will no doubt want to swap in the future with all the hassle that goes with it. (been there and done that!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 I have the Anschutz with the factory 14" barrel. Build quality is better than my two CZ's but that does not affect the practical useage. One of my CZ's has the 16" barrel and I must say that 2" does make quite a difference when you are carrying it around but no difference at all to accuracy. On my Anschutz 14" barrel .17HMR I used to use a SAK moderator which added another 6" but now I use DM80 "over the barrel" moderators which shorten things somewhat. The DM80 designed for the .17HMR is a lot more expensive than a SAK but it is also much better build quality and considerably quieter, presumably, in part, because of the smaller exit hole (SAK is .22). SAK is good for .22 but gets a bit chewed up inside on an HMR. Interestingly.... The overal length of the 14" Anschutz with a DM80 Mod is only about half an inch shorter than a 16" CZ with a DM80 Moderator. The reason for that is the DM80 slides a few inches over the barrel so about half of the length of the DM80 is over the barrel and half extends the barrel length. With the short 14" Anschutz barrel there is not enough barrel sticking out beyond the stock for the DM80 to slide over so Dave (maker of DM80) has to produce a modified version with less overhang. So side by side, the overall length of a 14" barrel and 16" barrel, each with DM80, come out about the same length. Stick a 6" SAK on the end, however, and the Anschutz becomes 20" and the CZ 22". Personally - Go for the Anschutz 14" every time - shop around for a good price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurchers Posted April 20, 2011 Report Share Posted April 20, 2011 i have the savage with thumbhole stock and it has the new trigger system on it and what a good gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5shooter Posted April 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 Thanks for taking the time to reply fellas and thanks 'Dadioles' for that very informative post including moderator preference. I think from the information that I have gathered from you lot that I will be buying an Anschutz thumbhole 14" barrel. Many thanks Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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