chrispti Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 This video was recently posted, and there are some very different views on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfvnniNZmqo I am just interested to see, how many of you would actually have a go, if you where offered the opportunity? I have put it up as a poll so voters can remain anonymous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 hell yes i would pay very good money too aswell! how awsome would that be? i mean realy all it would take is a naked kiera knightly to be the pilot and its my dream holiday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hushpower Posted June 5, 2011 Report Share Posted June 5, 2011 same here ,my weapon of choice would be cluster bombs :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 as per last weeks shooting times were it was reported that a change in law allowed landowners to sell the shooters seat to general hunters, no i don't think thats ok. As a means of controling a difficult pest i think it ok, perhaps the apparent poor shooting is explained now. To be fair when people start paying to control pests i think it changes the whole shebang, there are people here who charge for pest shooting of course but i myself feel this wrong as the very pests you are supposed to be controling / reducing or erradicating become a harvestable asset of value. In such circumstances mentioned how can it then still be right to shoot large running prey from helicopters in such a way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) as per last weeks shooting times were it was reported that a change in law allowed landowners to sell the shooters seat to general hunters, no i don't think thats ok. As a means of controling a difficult pest i think it ok, perhaps the apparent poor shooting is explained now. To be fair when people start paying to control pests i think it changes the whole shebang, there are people here who charge for pest shooting of course but i myself feel this wrong as the very pests you are supposed to be controling / reducing or erradicating become a harvestable asset of value. In such circumstances mentioned how can it then still be right to shoot large running prey from helicopters in such a way? Sorry but disagree about the poor shooting bit, have you ever tried shooting moving targets that jink and move at high speed, very difficult from the ground. Now put yourself in a helicopter which is also moving, no door, hanging out with a harness in the slipstream. its very difficult, I can assure you as I have done it. (on deer) I can assure you whilst it was pest control and exhausting work, it was some of the most enjoyable times of my life. Edited June 6, 2011 by docholiday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 To be fair when people start paying to control pests i think it changes the whole shebang, there are people here who charge for pest shooting of course but i myself feel this wrong as the very pests you are supposed to be controling / reducing or erradicating become a harvestable asset of value. In such circumstances mentioned how can it then still be right to shoot large running prey from helicopters in such a way? I think the cost of doing it from a helicopter can be huge! To off set this cost with paying clients doesn't seem a bad idea to me. If they run out of funds, the pigs breed and destroy more natural vegitation and crops. If you book a paid hunting safari anywhere in the world you will be shooting excess animals and paying. If they weren't sold to hunters, it would cost to cull them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidney505 Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Sorry to be a party pooper but i'd have to vote no. Putting that many shots into an animal (admittedly some were misses on the counter) before it finally drops is not good sportsmanship. Sure a better shot could prehapse achive cleaner kills but surley chasing the feral pigs toward funnle shaped runs constructed of black polothene would work, Don't they sometimes do that in Africa with wild heards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Sorry to be a party pooper but i'd have to vote no. Putting that many shots into an animal (admittedly some were misses on the counter) before it finally drops is not good sportsmanship. Sure a better shot could prehapse achive cleaner kills but surley chasing the feral pigs toward funnle shaped runs constructed of black polothene would work, Don't they sometimes do that in Africa with wild heards? Besides, your girlfreind wouldn't let you "Funneling" pigs would be a nightmare and a costly exercise. They aren't found in big enough groups to warrant the cost of putting up the sheeting. (they can be miles of sheeting) Pigs also just put their nose to the ground and go under. I've seen them go under electric fencing, where they know they will get shocked. They just go flat out and start squeeling about 10 meters before they get to the fence, and straight under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Not for me Im afraid... zero skill involved ( apart from the pilot ) Not Sporting enough for my tastes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 if you had said helicopter pig hunting would you have had the same replies. :lol: :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Not for me Im afraid... zero skill involved ( apart from the pilot ) Not Sporting enough for my tastes. You are having a larf aren't you Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 You are having a larf aren't you Mike NO .. He got the bit about the pilot correct. some of the best .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Not for me thanks. Pest or not, any living creature deserves some respect and to be killed cleanly and humanely. That's not what I see going on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) sorry lads.. not for me either far to many shots being taken that were not instant kill shots agree with Blunderbust on this one Edited June 7, 2011 by jasper3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 You are having a larf aren't you Mike Why do you think that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Not for me, but if I did I would learn to shoot, unlike the person we watched, far to many misses and few clean kills. I appreciate it must be difficult from a helicopter, all the more reason to be very skilled gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 'no skill involved' You are 'avin a giraffe mate!!! You may not like it, you may find it distasteful but trust me.... Unskilled it ain't... Without exception possibly THE most difficult shooting out there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 'no skill involved' You are 'avin a giraffe mate!!! You may not like it, you may find it distasteful but trust me.... Unskilled it ain't... Without exception possibly THE most difficult shooting out there! ********...Hes missing most of them...any ******** can discharge a semi automatic like that and hit one every 10 shots or so.... I hope he falls out of the Helecopter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 sorry lads.. not for me either far to many shots being taken that were not instant kill shots agree with Blunderbust on this one They were not instant kills because he appeared to miss quite a bit. Every shot that hit the target seemed to do the job. I never saw any pigs move again after being hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I`d happily have a go. It certainly is`nt sport, but I do wonder what a Texan helicopter pig shooter would make of the morals of decoying pigeons with a shed load of decoys and a rotary. Not sure of the relevance of the argument that they were not all clean kills.Do`nt you get walkers when pigeon shooting. I know nothing about rifles. What was he using? It seemed to do the job well enough when he hit `em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 ********...Hes missing most of them...any ******** can discharge a semi automatic like that and hit one every 10 shots or so.... I hope he falls out of the Helecopter. You are sooooo wrong in your statements and assumptions.. This is like NOTHING you have ever done before (if you had, you wouldn't be posting such presumptuous tripe!) With everything going on it is virtually impossible to get a first shot hit (if you do, great, but even for the most skilled shots, there is an equal amount of luck in achieving this) , you have to shoot and follow your shot fall until you make contact with the target... imagine shining a nice lazer beam at the ground, you would light it up and then pull the beam into the target... you have to do the same thing with your shots in this scenario... you CANNOT aim at the target and expect to get a hit as you can with pretty much any other type of shooting.. A very good example... find some footage of a dogfight and watch what happens when the cannons are let loose... the string of shots is BROUGHT into contact with the target, they don't strike it immediately... the principle is just the same but even more difficult as there are far more variables and planes of movement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) You are sooooo wrong in your statements and assumptions.. This is like NOTHING you have ever done before (if you had, you wouldn't be posting such presumptuous tripe!) With everything going on it is virtually impossible to get a first shot hit (if you do, great, but even for the most skilled shots, there is an equal amount of luck in achieving this) , you have to shoot and follow your shot fall until you make contact with the target... imagine shining a nice lazer beam at the ground, you would light it up and then pull the beam into the target... you have to do the same thing with your shots in this scenario... you CANNOT aim at the target and expect to get a hit as you can with pretty much any other type of shooting.. A very good example... find some footage of a dogfight and watch what happens when the cannons are let loose... the string of shots is BROUGHT into contact with the target, they don't strike it immediately... the principle is just the same but even more difficult as there are far more variables and planes of movement! All of which means the chances of guaranteeing a clean humane kill with the first shot to connect are what exactly? I don't doubt the need to control the pigs or the skill required to hit a moving target from a helicopter. I do doubt the ethics of using a method which virtually guarantees wounding and crippling some animals which could have been killed cleanly by another method. Edited June 7, 2011 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) Duplicate post, stupid phone or my sausage fingers! Edited June 7, 2011 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) All of which means the chances of guaranteeing a clean humane kill with the first shot to connect are what exactly? I don't doubt the need to control the pigs or the skill required to hit a moving target from a helicopter. I do doubt the ethics of using a method which virtually guarantees wounding and crippling some animals which could have been killed cleanly by another method. As has been said already, the areas are so vast, particularly in SA where helicopter culls are quite common.. there is literally no other way... imagine setting off in a vehicle or 3 searching for hogs in an area thoousands of square miles big... it would be impossible, the chances of you finding them would be virtually zero.. What alternatives are there, funneling areas is just too big and the hogs would burrow under anyway. Poison Think I'd rather be shot than poisoned particularly from a humane perspective and remember, done correctly, your straifing fire should bring your shot into contact with the beast's boiler room, which was what was happening on the video.. you won't get many walking wounded from that. any runners were fuelled by adrenaline.. Last time I was up in Scotland on the Sikas I had 2 runners, both well placed shots, one in particular, a decent sized hind, I desroyed her heart and pretty much all of the to part of one lung with my shot. She still managed to run 100 meters ito the trees before she dropped.... WITH NO HEART!!! So, don't assume, as some are doing, that because the animal doesn't instantly 'drop' to the shot it has been wounded. Only head shots and very well placed neck shots will guarantee that! And.... in a somewhat paradoxical twist... a good neck shot will drop the beast instantly... it probably won't kill it though, it will be paralised, terrified and you then have to go and dispach it at close range with another shot or normally a knife, cut the pulmonary artery and aorta and bleed it out! So... nothing is as clearcut as it would seem Edited June 7, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) As has been said already, the areas are so vast, particularly in SA where helicopter culls are quite common.. there is literally no other way... imagine setting off in a vehicle or 3 searching for hogs in an area thoousands of square miles big... it would be impossible, the chances of you finding them would be virtually zero.. What alternatives are there, funneling areas is just too big and the hogs would burrow under anyway. Poison Think I'd rather be shot than poisoned particularly from a humane perspective and remember, done correctly, your straifing fire should bring your shot into contact with the beast's boiler room, which was what was happening on the video.. you won't get many walking wounded from that. any runners were fuelled by adrenaline.. Last time I was up in Scotland on the Sikas I had 2 runners, both well placed shots, one in particular, a decent sized hind, I desroyed her heart and pretty much all of the to part of one lung with my shot. She still managed to run 100 meters ito the trees before she dropped.... WITH NO HEART!!! So, don't assume, as some are doing, that because the animal doesn't instantly 'drop' to the shot it has been wounded. Only head shots and very well placed neck shots will guarantee that! And.... in a somewhat paradoxical twist... a good neck shot will drop the beast instantly... it probably won't kill it though, it will be paralised, terrified and you then have to go and dispach it at close range with another shot or normally a knife, cut the pulmonary artery and aorta and bleed it out! So... nothing is as crlearcut as it would seem Firstly if they are impossible to find in thousands of square miles of bush, then how much damage are they doing exactly? You can't have it both ways, if there are plagues of them causing loads of damage they can't be impossible to find on the ground. Secondly, which ever way you dress it up, because of the huge technical difficulties of shooting from a moving platform you've articulated so well, cripples are inevitable. What would be your views on the ethics of shooting running deer from the back of a moving vehicle in UK? I know the UK is totally different to the African bush, and I am playing devil's advocate to a degree, if this is genuinely the only way to do it then reluctantly I would say "fair enough". So that justifies perhaps a rancher in SA protecting his livelihood doing it., but I question why someone would want (as opposed to need) to do this, ie those who voted yes on the poll. What would you get out of it? Other than getting your jollies crippling pigs whilst living out some Apocalypse Now fantasy? Edited June 7, 2011 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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