chrispti Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 It's difficult I agree. My post on this thread was really more to do with the conflicting ethics of on the one hand striving for great accuracy and humane kills yet on the other hand supporting what can only be described as random shots at animals. Should we really support these random shots, done for financial reasons, just because we haven't figured out a better way yet ? The best accuracy given the situation. What financial reasons? I dont think its for financial gain, more to do with pest control, stopping a load of pigs eating their wages or destroying the place? I dont think you can call them random shots either. They were aimed shots, he just missed and given the circumstances, I can see why. These people are trained and experienced helicopter shooters, it also seems some are drafted in to do the job. There is a lot more to it than just hanging out of the chopper and blatting away, even I can see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 I wonder whether errecting a few hundred high seats (or chosen vantage points) say a few hundred yards apart and charging people next to nothing would be the way to go. They could then make use of the meat as well and may find the excess numbers are actually a kind of population explosion/organic farming gone good. I can`t believe we don`t see many adverts for this kind of shooting!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 (edited) There is only so far "fun" should go. If your fun is injuring lots of hogs for your buzz then I really start to doubt whether, when you say you treat animals with the respect they deserve, that you actually do... Also, in reply to the comment I saw about every shot he hit the hog died, keep watching till it takes 10 and the hog eventually gives up... Very sporting and humane.. yes. What are you raving on about :blink: Where have you seen or read, people injure hogs for fun Who made the comment, ''I saw about every shot he hit the hog died'' He missed about 10 times. The hog gives up because he's ****** from running, its then quickly dispatched. I doubt the shooters there for the sport, hes probably being paid to cull the animals. I take it you dont agree with fox hunting with hounds, rabbiting with dogs and ferreting then Edited June 9, 2011 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 (edited) I wonder whether errecting a few hundred high seats (or chosen vantage points) say a few hundred yards apart and charging people next to nothing would be the way to go. They could then make use of the meat as well and may find the excess numbers are actually a kind of population explosion/organic farming gone good. I can`t believe we don`t see many adverts for this kind of shooting!! High seats may work, but I doubt they are practical in the situation as shown in the video. There are miles and miles of land to cover. Organising the trips and getting people out to the seats would take forever and the shooters could be sat about all day and see nowt. Another advantage of the helicopter is the noise and down draft seem to makes the pigs bolt. We dont see adverts as it doesn't happen in the UK and also reading some of the comments on some of the other films, it looks like only trained helicopter shooters are used. Its not just a case of hanging out of a chopper and shouting ''get some, get some''. Edited June 9, 2011 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Should we really support these random shots, done for financial reasons, just because we haven't figured out a better way yet ? Easy to say when it's not your money they're eating. Is it any different to shooting pigeons to save a bit of rape to get more oil to fry your chips or drive your car a bit further on Bio fuel? It is also about preserving natural habitat that supports indigenous animals. There is only so far "fun" should go. If your fun is injuring lots of hogs for your buzz then I really start to doubt whether, when you say you treat animals with the respect they deserve, that you actually do... Also, in reply to the comment I saw about every shot he hit the hog died, keep watching till it takes 10 and the hog eventually gives up... Very sporting and humane.. yes. This thread is starting to bore me. Why can't people see this is vermin control, just like shooting rats would be. How much respect do you show rats,moles,corvids, foxes etc? Why do you gladly shoot foxes at night with a lamp, but not deer? We all try for clean one shot kills, but this is influenced by many factors. In this situation the shooter isn't trying to burn powder, he is trying to kill pigs. They are using the best method they have, and will continue doing so until a better system is found. So far none of the critics have come up with a viable alternative and continue to apply "hunting" standards to the job and not vermin control standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Would it make me a bad person if i said HELL YES!!! damn, i would love to try that. i thort it was just me lol i would give my left nut to try this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 The best accuracy given the situation. Then perhaps they shouldn't shoot in that situation. Would you shoot in a howling gale if you knew you would be hitting your quarry all over the place ? I dont think you can call them random shots either. They were aimed shots, he just missed and given the circumstances, I can see why. If a man misses completely, up to 10 times I think you wrote, what makes you think the 11th shot will be a good kill ? With that kind of appalling accuracy it's most definately a random shot placement and I'd bet good money that the majority of those hogs limp off after they recover from the shock of the shot. I'm not an anti though, if it floats your boat carry on, but remember the thread is asking for opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Then perhaps they shouldn't shoot in that situation. Would you shoot in a howling gale if you knew you would be hitting your quarry all over the place ? If a man misses completely, up to 10 times I think you wrote, what makes you think the 11th shot will be a good kill ? With that kind of appalling accuracy it's most definately a random shot placement and I'd bet good money that the majority of those hogs limp off after they recover from the shock of the shot. I'm not an anti though, if it floats your boat carry on, but remember the thread is asking for opinions. I dont think you are an anti mate, we are having a civilised debate. I dont think any of the pigs got up after being shot. The only wind was from the down draft, which doesnt affect the round much as they are only shooting short distances. The man did miss quite few times, on one pig, dont we all have off days sometimes Although I would guess it would be like trying to shoot rabbits from a moving vehicle, so going by the amount of 1 shot kills that where filmed, Id say he was wn excellent shot. If you watch the film again you do see a pig hit in the back end, you then see a quick follow up shot to the front/ head. Again, if it where your miles and miles of land,wetlands,crops etc, what methods would you employ to save your lively hood from being destroyed by vermin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 there is also the slight issue that pigs with adrenalin up don't just tend to fall down dead they can run or kick a bit. But with a .223 at close range used on them they won't last long, its not much different to shooting rabbits from a pickup at night sometimes you will need more than one shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I'm not an anti though, if it floats your boat carry on, but remember the thread is asking for opinions. You appear to be against this kind of vermin control. These guys don't do it to "float their boat", it's a job. People's incomes are affected by the damage from these pigs. If they sell the shooters seat to help finance the job, then there is no reason why someone who would like the experience of this shouldn't be able to have a "Paid days shooting" You have not considered the whole thing from a purely vermin point of view. Your opinions are all based on the morals, ethics and animal welfare theme. Where Have I heard them before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I can sort of understand why its done , would I want to do it ? no not for me,I dont like the fact that all that meat appears to be going to waste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 You appear to be against this kind of vermin control. These guys don't do it to "float their boat", it's a job. People's incomes are affected by the damage from these pigs. If they sell the shooters seat to help finance the job, then there is no reason why someone who would like the experience of this shouldn't be able to have a "Paid days shooting" You have not considered the whole thing from a purely vermin point of view. Your opinions are all based on the morals, ethics and animal welfare theme. Where Have I heard them before? I'm not sentimental about vermin control, I shot 8 baby rabbits this morning and enjoyed it. I don't like that helicopter shooting though, you know as well as I that there are going to be a lot of wounded hogs. If they really feel it's necessary then of course they will do it, but the thread asks if I would and the answer is no. As for "morals, ethics and animal welfare", am I to assume that these don't count if the target is "vermin" ? You write "where have I heard that before", I assume that you are implying that I'm an anti, well if heeding morals, ethics and animal welfare makes me an anti then you can call me anti all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethR Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 I'd do it. I get what some people are saying but unless you have been to Africa and stood on the ground and looked around you then you would realise that helicopter is the only way. You'd also be ### if Simba and his pals strolled along It's vermin as someone said, its not hunting but in my opinion neither is shooting baby rabbits that are so young they just sit and look at you from 10 yards as they've never seen a human before. Question is why do you shoot them so young? Answer is because you're asked to by the land owner due to the damage they do. Thats my 2p worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 read this all the way through and having considered the morality/ethics etc i think its not for me. I ******g hate helicopters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 It's vermin as someone said, its not hunting but in my opinion neither is shooting baby rabbits The difference is that shooting baby rabbits with HMR or 22LR is humane. Messy, but humane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsonbernardo Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 cruel.....this is not shooting.....is a massacre.animals need a bit more respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Would I like to try it? I like helicopters, my brother has two - I like shooting and do it because I want to. Yes I would love to experience this but being realistic it would never be an option. I can't think of anywhere this would be feasible in England. Since there would no way of simulating the darting beasts everyone doing it would have had to gain live experience before becoming competent at it. Someone compared it to shooting from a moving truck - but the truck would be bounding over rough ground whereas the Heli platform would be much smoother once the pilot presented the shooter with the optimum trailing position. I think it has to be getting done as a paid opportunity because if it were my helicopter, my vermin on my land and I wern't being paid to do it the gun would be fixed on a purpose made mount and fired by me via a switch on the joystick somehow. The nearest I can get to that is having my rifle on the door mirror of my Pinin and shoot as I came to a halt after lining up the shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) Would I like to try it? I like helicopters, my brother has two - I like shooting and do it because I want to. Yes I would love to experience this but being realistic it would never be an option. I can't think of anywhere this would be feasible in England. Since there would no way of simulating the darting beasts everyone doing it would have had to gain live experience before becoming competent at it. Someone compared it to shooting from a moving truck - but the truck would be bounding over rough ground whereas the Heli platform would be much smoother once the pilot presented the shooter with the optimum trailing position. I think it has to be getting done as a paid opportunity because if it were my helicopter, my vermin on my land and I wern't being paid to do it the gun would be fixed on a purpose made mount and fired by me via a switch on the joystick somehow. The nearest I can get to that is having my rifle on the door mirror of my Pinin and shoot as I came to a halt after lining up the shot. The question was, If you where offered the opportunity to go and do this, would you. Edited July 8, 2011 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 The question was, If you where offered the opportunity to go and do this, would you. Dave-G, on 08 July 2011 - 07:54 AM, said: Would I like to try it? I like helicopters, my brother has two - I like shooting and do it because I want to. Yes I would love to experience this but being realistic it would never be an option. I can't think of anywhere this would be feasible in England. Since there would no way of simulating the darting beasts everyone doing it would have had to gain live experience before becoming competent at it. Someone compared it to shooting from a moving truck - but the truck would be bounding over rough ground whereas the Heli platform would be much smoother once the pilot presented the shooter with the optimum trailing position. I think it has to be getting done as a paid opportunity because if it were my helicopter, my vermin on my land and I wern't being paid to do it the gun would be fixed on a purpose made mount and fired by me via a switch on the joystick somehow. The nearest I can get to that is having my rifle on the door mirror of my Pinin and shoot as I came to a halt after lining up the shot. The question was, If you where offered the opportunity to go and do this, would you. This post has been edited by chrispti: Yesterday, 04:52 PM Didn't realise I ought to have made a monosylable reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big simmo999 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Nope - not for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Bunch of a-holes with money to burn and morals to match. fudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Bunch of a-holes with money to burn and morals to match. fudd How do you come to this conclusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 How do you come to this conclusion? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-06hunter Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Conclusion came courtesy of seeing these little toe rags playing with big guns. plenty food for any 'anti' who cruises this site. Anybody here want to defend the actions of these jocks in the the name of hunting or sportsmanship? Sorry to disappoint but being sickened over rules jealousy. fudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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