PSMITH1963 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 (edited) Hi, Back to earth with a big bang, had been improving with my best ever 100 sporting score at Kelbrook 82, I found this really hard but enjoyed trying, even with my new contacts in struggled to find the targets old eyes, and not being used to sport trap I struggleed losing where they were coming from but its the same for everyone, Seb (Percy Posh Paws) faired really well and is pleased with is score beating my by 15 which he is reminding me of on a regular basis, Auntie and Shaun put together goods scores shooting well. It was good to see some of the sites faces there supporting hope we had a winner in amongst us. Regards Phil & Seb Edited June 19, 2011 by PSMITH1963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 I think Shaun finished with a 75, i managed a 67, but it was TOUGH., with 8 traps on each layout, more normal to have 5, and the signage left a little to be desired for my ageing memory. I'm used to signs at the front of the stand, when they are at the side of your own stand only, it doesnt give you a clue as to what you could be expecting especially with 8 traps per layout. One of the layouts had 4 letters CDEF i think all in a line in front of you, all high birds but no indication of direction they may take. An other layout had Letters hidden by shrubbery or not visable at all from some stands. I did notice this had been rectified for later squads. Another layout had a block of letters ABCD but not a clue as to which bird did what, which is OK if you are next squad on and have a chance to see but being 1 st squad on was a bit difficult for my brain box. This is not a whinge, i enjoyed the shoot greatly and the targets were excellent, just different. Nicky shot an excellent 80 and brian shot a credible 88, he was joint leader when i left but i think lots more scores to come in. from Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 like auntie says its not normally 8 traps per layout. very bad that. stick to 5 good targets and they might make a go of it but 8!! people wont come back. good targets but just not certain where they were coming from. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 (edited) I wouldn't rush to do that again, too much for me. It was like one of those Mensa memory tests Edited June 19, 2011 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son Of Potter Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Well it was TOUGH refereeing this, Spoke to alot of shooters who agreed that 8 traps is far too many!! Definately need to stick to five traps per layout!! other than that i think they were good targets!! I shot a 77, which im not impressed with, far too many easy ones slip away!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian E Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 (edited) I think Manchester Clay Shooting Club should be congratulated on putting on a cracking shoot, now I'm sure many people will think I'm a wee bit mad saying that. Agreed the signage wasn't the best, that could of been easily rectified by putting the type of bird on the menu board inside the cage i.e E rabbit from left - H over head going away, I'm sure lessons will be learnt on that front, 8 instead of 5, well ok it maybe not the norm but it certainly made things interesting ! On the plus side we only had a handful of no birds out of 500, no break downs etc that I was aware of, the refereeing\buttoning was absolutely spot on, big pat on the back to the refs ! the ground was well turned out booking on seemed quick and painless, it was sunny and we even had some guns to look at and play with outside the club house ! AND I didn't have to do a 200 mile round trip to shoot it ! Everyone I spoke to agreed the targets and ref'ing were very good, just some complaints about the signage and number of traps. I know I'm probably gonna get flamed, but sod yer, well done Worsley ! Edited June 19, 2011 by Ian E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Ian, your mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 I enjoyed it today, missed a few I shouldn't by getting confused which bird was which, partly due to the signage partly due to being easily confused & it does help to have 2 cartridges loaded in the gun on a report pair . Ended up with 77 not disastrous but not great either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzurri Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 It was nice to bump into a few of the usual suspects today and some friends i haven't seen for long enough,especially 'B' who passed the 'Mensa Test' in style,well shot mate I thought generally the targets were very good as singles and even most o/r pairs, it was just the simmo's that needed a lot more thinking about by whoever set the targets.I never got a shot at two of them and wasn't the only one to struggle with this. I fully agree with what's already been said about the number of traps and idiot boards being in the wrong place,these mistakes spoiled a lot of hard work and what should have been a good shoot. The Refs deserve a big thankyou,as it can't have been an easy day for them I think if there is a 'next time' the course setter should take on board the comments made today or perhaps head off over to NOECTC when they next hold a Sportrap for a look to see how it should be done. I'll even pay his entry for him so he can experience it,or better still Worsleys owner can pay it with the entry fee he still owes me Azzurri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Potter Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Ian, your mad. I thought that was absolutely dreadful, 8 traps per layout, appalling signage and who in God's name decided to put that 4th layout with an enormous great tree in the middle of it. Never again Brian, your 88 was nothing short of heroic, class will always out, I didn't wait till the end but I assume you shared HG with that score. You had me beaten by 17 birds, I started off OK with a 22, then I was at fault on the 2nd layout for my inability to hit the F bird (a quartering away R to L from a low tower - one of the easier birds on the layout!) I think we had that F bird at least 6 times so why have 8 traps?? These first 2 layouts had exactly the same birds but not the same sequences, as the 50 bird shoot a couple of weeks ago so they should not have been a surprise to some, including myself!!! Those last 2 layouts, well I was constantly going for the "wrong" bird, boards with 4 letters don't mean much when you haven't got a clue which of the 4 is which. Then the tree on the last layout, just where the majority of shooters would want to kill there target, made it just impossible for old fogies like me, I very nearly walked off, personally thought the simo pairs were virtually impossible!! The only good part of the day was the Caesar Guerini exhibition, had a go with a couple of loverly guns and started me thinking Ian, if you thought that fiasco today was good then you really need to get around more, it was ****. Mr Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son Of Potter Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 I thought that was absolutely dreadful, 8 traps per layout, appalling signage and who in God's name decided to put that 4th layout with an enormous great tree in the middle of it. Never again Brian, your 88 was nothing short of heroic, class will always out, I didn't wait till the end but I assume you shared HG with that score. You had me beaten by 17 birds, I started off OK with a 22, then I was at fault on the 2nd layout for my inability to hit the F bird (a quartering away R to L from a low tower - one of the easier birds on the layout!) I think we had that F bird at least 6 times so why have 8 traps?? These first 2 layouts had exactly the same birds but not the same sequences, as the 50 bird shoot a couple of weeks ago so they should not have been a surprise to some, including myself!!! Those last 2 layouts, well I was constantly going for the "wrong" bird, boards with 4 letters don't mean much when you haven't got a clue which of the 4 is which. Then the tree on the last layout, just where the majority of shooters would want to kill there target, made it just impossible for old fogies like me, I very nearly walked off, personally thought the simo pairs were virtually impossible!! The only good part of the day was the Caesar Guerini exhibition, had a go with a couple of loverly guns and started me thinking Ian, if you thought that fiasco today was good then you really need to get around more, it was ****. Mr Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Nice to see that Worsley have taken notice of the complaints about poor target setting at the English selection shoot, and are continuing to disappoint with their standards of shoot organisation. Who actually runs the ground? Who sets the targets and does the organisation? No one or an idiot. Don't they realise that they are ruining what now is a very expensive sport for the working man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son Of Potter Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Stupid iphone not putting my comments in!! It was meant to say are you buying me the 34" guerini then dad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 My two penneth: 1) No of traps - there were too many. It did offer a great variety of targets and I suppose as shooters we should welcome the value for money from getting such a wide variety, however when shooting today it tended to take your focus away from concentrating on how and where to shoot the birds and instead on which targets you were actually going to be shooting. It also slowed down the squads as lots of shooters needed reminding which pairs they were about to shoot. 2) Referees - did a great job and deserve a pat on the back for their efforts They had a tough job today and although some of them got a little mixed up at times with the combinations, this was trifling and not worthy of any sort of criticism as they were very helpful in keeping the squads in check. 3) Targets - Very good. There were some nice rangy birds that required a bit of lead and there were some nice whippy crossers to get onto. Some of the pairs were very tricky and a couple of my second birds had hit the deck before I had a chance of a shot - frustrating, but so long as the ground take this on board for future shoots, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it Some of them were a little samey, but this was due to the number of traps in place rather than through lack of imagination. ie. There was nothing wrong with any of the rabbits on Layout C, but to have 3 of them was a little excessive. In all, I was disappointed with my score as I knew I had a few more points in me. I found the shoot really hard going and was a little weary by the end of it, but I am certain that if the traps had been fewer and the sequences more orderly and visible then I would have enjoyed it much more. I would certainly go back and shoot it again so long as the ground take on board the points that have been raised as constructive criticism and not simply as petty whining. The ground has lots of potential, but just needs a little bit of fine tuning to the competition side to get it running up to speed - which I am sure they will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Good comments from everyone. Groundowners need to wake up and smell the coffee, we as shooters need a fair chance to be able to shoot at the clays, not stand and watch as it smashes to earth without being shot at, at 40 pence a time. It is not difficult to organise targets that can be seen, shot at, but deceive us into a miss with angle and speed rather than distance. Or even a combination of all three would be nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 As one of the button pressers on the day (Stand D - the one with the aforementioned tree ) I can say that all the shooters had similar criticism and suffered the same problems. Too many targets and poor signage being the main problems. Trust me this has been fed back. As one shooter said to me - this should be a test of shooting not memory. Fewer targets would have improved the situation greatly for everyone - if you think it was hard remembering where 8 targets were coming from try keeping track of 8 targets five cages and five shooters and making sure to send the right bird to the right shooter in the right cage at the right time - especially when he is already very angry, and has two shots in his gun :unsure: :unsure: . Having difficult targets that push you out of your comfort zone however is perfectly acceptable - surely thats the point of competition. I can assure you that every target - even the difficult simo pairs on stand D were all shot at some point during the day - but the successful shooters were very innovative in there kill points for these targets. Overall I really enjoyed the day and watched some great shooters perform really well, and made me realise how much more I need to practice to share a stand with you guys. Well done to Brian, he really stood out when shooting my stand, and I pegged him to be at or close to the top after he had shot. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 It's a shame about the ground. They get complaints and you might expect things to improve. Just how do they continually manage to get it so badly wrong? I have visited the ground - on and off for 25 years - I have noticed:- Incredibly slow admin when waiting to book on. Very silly ideas of financial security - I was asked to leave my credit card with them. They are very stupid or very naive. Staff who don't know what a pie is. Appalling approach road. Too many no birds. Poor attitude when no birds reported. Poor targets. That said, the ground has loads of potential. They really need to get their act together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky T Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 It's a shame about the ground. They get complaints and you might expect things to improve. Just how do they continually manage to get it so badly wrong? That said, the ground has loads of potential. They really need to get their act together. Times are changing Gordon; you might just be surprised at some of the proposed changes that I've heard of today.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 maxus :good: welcome Doc :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Nicky - I really hope so. It's nearby and should be a regular haunt, but I won't return until things improve. A fair number of friends feel the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 maxus :good: welcome Doc :good: Hi Brian, and congratulations on your weekend performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Potter Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 As one of the button pressers on the day (Stand D - the one with the aforementioned tree ) I can say that all the shooters had similar criticism and suffered the same problems. Too many targets and poor signage being the main problems. Trust me this has been fed back. As one shooter said to me - this should be a test of shooting not memory. Fewer targets would have improved the situation greatly for everyone - if you think it was hard remembering where 8 targets were coming from try keeping track of 8 targets five cages and five shooters and making sure to send the right bird to the right shooter in the right cage at the right time - especially when he is already very angry, and has two shots in his gun :unsure: :unsure: . Having difficult targets that push you out of your comfort zone however is perfectly acceptable - surely thats the point of competition. I can assure you that every target - even the difficult simo pairs on stand D were all shot at some point during the day - but the successful shooters were very innovative in there kill points for these targets. Overall I really enjoyed the day and watched some great shooters perform really well, and made me realise how much more I need to practice to share a stand with you guys. Well done to Brian, he really stood out when shooting my stand, and I pegged him to be at or close to the top after he had shot. Andy Welcome to the forum Maxus The one shining beacon on the day was the button pushers and the referees, universal praise for doing what is already a difficult task under very trying circumstances Following on from other posts though, how many chances does MCSC want, every time I swear it will be the last but, sucker that I am, I always seem to give them just one more chance and I suppose I will give the next one a "final" chance I'll just have to double my blood pressure tablets prior to the layout with the ******* tree. How beretta managed a 22 on that layout (and didn't fire at 2 targets) was phenomenal shooting, we're not worthy to polish his cartridges Best advice I've read has been from Azzurri, target setter should get over to NoECTC on the 10th of next month and they will shoot/see 100 really good enjoyable sportrap targets. But to get back to the point, once again a big thanks to the refs & button pushers for a job well done, just a pity one of you isn't a tree surgeon Mr Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Thanks for that Mr Potter. My friends and I volunteered for the buttoning duties thinking "how hard can that be" well 6 hours and 2000 presses later I can tell you "pretty hard". My thumbs are like mush Oh and don't worry about the tree. It was shot so many times on the day that it is likely going to die of lead poisoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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