Salop Matt Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Is there such a thing as centre fire that i could use with simlar performance to a HMR for shooting rabbits ? I only head shoot as I sell what I shoot but a little more poke would be good for fox also but I just have a desire to reload. I dont know much about CF but hornet with a soft point is the only thing I can think of ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Even with reloading you'll never get down to 4p for a .22 or 12p for a .17HMR round! But you could use one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted July 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 22lr simply isnt suitable for my land and I have a HMR but cant reload it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 22lr simply isnt suitable for my land and I have a HMR but cant reload it ! How? who says? If it aint safe for HMR it aint safe for .22 either IMO and i havent even seen it. Those little 17's can also ricochet. How would a Hornet be safer than a .22Lr. on the land, Totaly confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Get a .22 hornet it CAN be reloaded for less than the .17 HMR and has more clout you won't regret it .you can reload a hornet for about 8-10 pence and a HMR is about 12-16 pence do the maths !!! Edited July 21, 2011 by rimmie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcoat Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Is there such a thing as centre fire that i could use with simlar performance to a HMR for shooting rabbits ? I only head shoot as I sell what I shoot but a little more poke would be good for fox also but I just have a desire to reload. I dont know much about CF but hornet with a soft point is the only thing I can think of ! .222 remington, a lovely tack driving round, eminently reloadable,low recoil, sadly overlooked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 ive just shot a rabbit (4 mins ago from the office window) with the .223 i shoot as many with that as i do with my 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem223 Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Get yourself a 17 Fireball and never look back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted July 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 High seas , what ammo was it and if head shot would it still be sellable ? I can sell anything that is clean from half way down the neck ! And being able to sell it is the key thing for me ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted July 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Rem223 I dont know anything about the 17 Fireball so can you give me some info and possibley some photos of head shot rabbits so I can see what the damage is like ? Many thanks Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem223 Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 17 Fireball is a necked down 221 Fireball. It was a wildcat called the 17 Mach IV till Remington brought it out as a factory version. They have dropped the more powerful 17 Remington from the 700 rifles in favour of the Fireball now. You would pretty much have to reload though as ammo would be expensive in the UK, but it is easy enough to reload for. I haven't got pictures of head shots but any centrefire will pretty much vaporise a rabbits head. so its something of a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 High seas , what ammo was it and if head shot would it still be sellable ? I can sell anything that is clean from half way down the neck ! And being able to sell it is the key thing for me ! well ive only found 3/4 of it! 50grn v-max head on down the body!! if you head shoot them with the v max then yeh very clean body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted July 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Rem223 what are your bullet choices with the fire ball ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 I have a 17 Ackley Hornet, it has felled foxes to 150 yards comfortably. Bullets ( Vmax) are about 24p each locally + primer + powder. It will take rabbits to around 200 yards though. I cant see how a 22 Hornet can be reloaded for under 12p a round, maybe I am missing a trick maybe somewhere. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) i have a 17 fireball. its a great little round. i use 20 grain vmax reloads at 4033 fps average over the chrono. so it isn't hanging about and is lovely flat shooting calibre. it would suite you well as a all round performer. and the rounds very rarely exit. it just leaves foxing as a bag of mush with out exit wound. so nice and safe i use it over some little permissions where the ground is flatter. i have a 22/250 to but had this fireball done when picking up the little permissions. where I wanted a safer high expanding little bullet to use. recoil is next to nothing and its not that loud also. ps if your interested i have a redding 3 die fireball set for sale. its brand new never used in the box for £65 posted. there £100 on the net so a good little saving. the only trouble with the fireball is there isn't a lot of different rifles to pick from in this calibre in factory spec. but if you can find a cheap sako vixen, hw60 or even a annie action. i know a rifle smith that has some new lother walther match barrels he had from a company that shut down. he would fit, chamber, screwcut,proof and put a invisible thread cap on and bead blast the barrel. average price of a rebarrel is around £700 these days. and with some smiths that doesn't including screwcut, protector, or finish you get the smith i know one of those actions and your looking at £350 to £400 to do all of the above barrel work with no hidden extras. he has done a number of fireballs and ackley hornets now. and all the people I have come across on the net who had them built buy him. are made up with them. your not that far away from me. your more then welcome to pop round and view the rifle. i will also show you the reloading side of things Edited July 21, 2011 by jamie g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Even with reloading you'll never get down to 4p for a .22 or 12p for a .17HMR round! But you could use one. Where please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Get a .22 hornet it CAN be reloaded for less than the .17 HMR and has more clout you won't regret it .you can reload a hornet for about 8-10 pence and a HMR is about 12-16 pence do the maths !!! I must live in the wrong part of the world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 ive just shot a rabbit (4 mins ago from the office window) with the .223 i shoot as many with that as i do with my 22 I like your style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 HMR is about 12-16 pence do the maths !!! I'm doing the maths and it doesn't add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Even with reloading you'll never get down to 4p for a .22 or 12p for a .17HMR round! But you could use one. 12p per round for a 17HMR? Sorry "apache" but if I am reading that right that works out at £6.00 per box of 50 rounds for a 17HMR - I would love to know where you are getting HMR ammunition at that price as the best I have found was at £9.00 per box and that was 2 years ago mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleaner4hire Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 when I get my variation back you are welcome to come down and have a go with a 17 Rem on the bunnies mate... stop over at mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornet 6 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 You've got the reloading bug haven't you Matt 40 grain soft point and about 10.5 grains of H110 will give you what you want, and still take foxes. Not sure on price up there, but while we were in Somerset I paid £11 for a box of 100 45 grain soft point bullets, 40's were the same price. Don't know much about the .17 C/F rounds, but I think they are all high speed V-max style, not what you want for selling bunnies on. Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C00KIE Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 .222 remington, a lovely tack driving round, eminently reloadable,low recoil, sadly overlooked! Jumping the thread here i know, but what load etc are you using in the .222, i have often thought about the use of my .222 at long range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 How can land not be suitable for rimfire but suitable for centrefire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 the only thing to add is you can't have many rabbits if you want to use a centrefire on them. Totally OTT for bunny control you already have the best tool for the job but I'm sure the hornet lot will have you sucked in shortly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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