gemini52 Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I have seen poor drivers who are elderly. I have seen far more younger and middle aged drivers who were truly appalling. I have yet to see an elderly driver on a mobile phone. Their reactions and eyesight may not be what they were, but they lack the arrogance that says you can phone or text whilst driving, tail gate, drive at 100mph on the motorway - or worse still, on ordinary roads, cut people up and rant and rave, at the slightest incident. They don't drive around with the car radio on so loud it hurts your ears. Older drivers are an easy target - try picking on a more deserving group. well said i agree with all your coments, i am 59 passed my test at 18 maybe my eye sight and reactions are not as good as they were so i ajust my driving to suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjsc Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I drive for a living (not telling you what type of driving) and in all honesty I am appalled by the driving standards, especially in London, Politeness, especially from the young drivers just does not exsist. I am 62 years old, been driving since 18, had one quite serious accident (lights stuck on Green....etc) when I was about 24, thats it. I got a speeding ticket a little while ago......for doing 28mph over a 20mph bridge!! I am not a slow coach!! Dont tar all 'oldies' with the same brush. TC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I drive for a living (not telling you what type of driving) and in all honesty I am appalled by the driving standards, especially in London, Politeness, especially from the young drivers just does not exsist. I am 62 years old, been driving since 18, had one quite serious accident (lights stuck on Green....etc) when I was about 24, thats it. I got a speeding ticket a little while ago......for doing 28mph over a 20mph bridge!! I am not a slow coach!! Dont tar all 'oldies' with the same brush. TC My reactions are faster than half of these young gimps, you can see that on a clay ground, most of them are still scratching their harris when the clay is long gone I don't hang about in a car either, if half of these hot rods on here came round the block with me, they'd **** their adolescent pants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 My reactions are faster than half of these young gimps, you can see that on a clay ground, most of them are still scratching their harris when the clay is long gone I don't hang about in a car either, if half of these hot rods on here came round the block with me, they'd **** their adolescent pants You're only 56 for christ's sake! Come back in 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Let me just get this clear in my own mind. At what age are these new "tests" to be applied? The original poster said 75-80. Presumably he has the gift of instant age recognition, despite not being there at the time. Someone else has posted 70. Are drivers okay until 70 - then it's a cliff edge effect? I could start a thread about stupid BMW, Audi and Merc drivers - they constitute a fair number of speeders. The texting whilst at the wheel is an age thing - mainly youngsters. :good: Phoning whilst driving covers 20 -50. White van drivers - kings of tailgating? Taxi drivers - I own the road. I haven't read so much drivel for a couple of weeks. I suspect this will run and run. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 (edited) Let me just get this clear in my own mind. At what age are these new "tests" to be applied? The original poster said 75-80. Presumably he has the gift of instant age recognition, despite not being there at the time. Someone else has posted 70. Are drivers okay until 70 - then it's a cliff edge effect? I could start a thread about stupid BMW, Audi and Merc drivers - they constitute a fair number of speeders. The texting whilst at the wheel is an age thing - mainly youngsters. :good: Phoning whilst driving covers 20 -50. White van drivers - kings of tailgating? Taxi drivers - I own the road. I haven't read so much drivel for a couple of weeks. I suspect this will run and run. :lol: :lol / If it does run, think we should include the, "sometimes I go where I'm looking and sometimes I look where I going, you should have known which" mob, the ***** cyclists. Edited August 5, 2011 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 (edited) My wifes's parked car was written off two months ago by an old boy who ran into into it. No explaination, the police didn't want to know. Checked he was insured and drove off. He was not on this planet, seemed unaware even afterwards as to what had gone on . OK my wife's car was a big deal to us but what if it had been a child or a kid on a bike. MY SON rides a bike. The police's attitude was poor, not our problem, its for his Doctor. Years ago a friend of mine "Joe90" was killed on his motorbike by an old boy who pulled out of a side turning, never saw him. the old boy was never prosecuted. Hired an expensive lawyer who said Joe was going too fast and similar bull **** He got off, Joe90 didn't, he went to the graveyard aged 23 but money talks, or it did in that case. When you reach a certain age you are dangerous, my mother (80) is dangerous. Just hope she doesn't kill anybody but she is a worry constantly to me. I would be more than happy if they pulled her licence. Edited August 5, 2011 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 About ten years ago - my wife's excellent Cosworth had £2k damage done to it by an 18 year old from around the corner from where I live. Last July, I had to be cut out of my car, having being hit by a 40 odd year old - estimated (I was in pain at the time) - driver of a four by four. I was shunted in 2004 by a 50 year old, whilst stationary. In about 1990, I was shunted, whilst parked, by a 30 year old - approximately. Not sure where all this is going. If anyone has reservations about a relative driving their car, this forum is not the place to ease their conscience. If posters are serious - get the relatives reported, before someone gets killed. It's a real cop out to post it on here without doing the proper thing. :hmm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 About ten years ago - my wife's excellent Cosworth had £2k damage done to it by an 18 year old from around the corner from where I live. Last July, I had to be cut out of my car, having being hit by a 40 odd year old - estimated (I was in pain at the time) - driver of a four by four. I was shunted in 2004 by a 50 year old, whilst stationary. In about 1990, I was shunted, whilst parked, by a 30 year old - approximately. Not sure where all this is going. If anyone has reservations about a relative driving their car, this forum is not the place to ease their conscience. If posters are serious - get the relatives reported, before someone gets killed. It's a real cop out to post it on here without doing the proper thing. :hmm: not being funny but you must be the most unluckiest driver i know, but your right about reporting the relatives. shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I've had quite a few more crashes - none were down to me. I always thought I was lucky, as I walked away, until being stretchered off to hospital last year. :lol: :yes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcontroller Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 Re Test for everyone every 5 years regardless of age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine1980 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I think all drivers should be re-checked every couple of years from a young age! I'm not saying we should have to do a full test again but maybe an examiner could just sit un the car with you fir a 10 min drive! Not to pick you up on every bad habit which we all pick up but purely to check if your a danger or not! I'm only 30 but would be more than happy to have to do this every couple of years and no doubt the people who wouldn't be happy are the people that would probably fail! I use firearms un my job and get re-tested every 6 months to check that I'm still safe, it should be no different in a car which takes more lives than firearms ever would! Only my 2 pence worth! Royal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I think all drivers should be re-checked every couple of years from a young age! I'm not saying we should have to do a full test again but maybe an examiner could just sit un the car with you fir a 10 min drive! Not to pick you up on every bad habit which we all pick up but purely to check if your a danger or not! I'm only 30 but would be more than happy to have to do this every couple of years and no doubt the people who wouldn't be happy are the people that would probably fail! I use firearms un my job and get re-tested every 6 months to check that I'm still safe, it should be no different in a car which takes more lives than firearms ever would! Only my 2 pence worth! Royal Hope that 6 monthly is nowt like the APWT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I get tested for work every new car, 3 years at most and more like 2 with my miles, by an advanced driver. I'm assessed on a risk basis - low, med, high, very high. I believe everyone should do this every 5 years. Cost is lower than a proper test and the drive is more natural - anyone hitting very high should have to re test within 6 months or quit driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Re Test for everyone every 5 years regardless of age. fine, who picks up the tab, suppose it would keep test examiners in work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 fine, who picks up the tab, Us,of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine1980 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Hope that 6 monthly is nowt like the APWT! APWT 's are a joke at the best of times! I'm more throughly tested as I carry in civilian environments! Royal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 I have seen poor drivers who are elderly. I have seen far more younger and middle aged drivers who were truly appalling. I have yet to see an elderly driver on a mobile phone. Their reactions and eyesight may not be what they were, but they lack the arrogance that says you can phone or text whilst driving, tail gate, drive at 100mph on the motorway - or worse still, on ordinary roads, cut people up and rant and rave, at the slightest incident. They don't drive around with the car radio on so loud it hurts your ears. Older drivers are an easy target - try picking on a more deserving group. I'm with you 100% on this one Gordon.We are all capable of causing an accident, the elderly no more than anyone else. Ageism is frowned on these days and rightly so.Age brings on its own restrictions please do not place other barriers in the way. I am nearer in age to 80 than 20 (but not past it by any means :D ) and becoming more and more biased towards an elderly viewpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 APWT 's are a joke at the best of times! I'm more throughly tested as I carry in civilian environments! Royal That's reassuring. The APWT and APFT share the same pass mark - 8oz of Nescafe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant Feeder Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 The standard of driving in this country varies from quite good down to down right appaling. A lack of basic knowledge of the highway code is the norm, this is regardless of age. When learning to drive most people think they can drive and often overestimate their abilities, some get it wrong and have an accident, some get it wrong and have a pant filling moment. A mature driver has usually gone through this learning cycle and knows his limitations, the problem occurs when an elderly driver fails to identify that his abilities are declining and that his limitations are increasing. I appreciate that there are the odd exceptions but the majority of drivers have had no form of driver training since passing their test, bad habits can creep in and skills can fade. Upon passing their test people have attained a BASIC level of competance, and whilst gaining experience it is all too easy to become sloppy and allow their competence to fall below the BASIC standard. There is also a lack of personal responsibility for their own actions, a driver who managed to skid the full length of her cul-de-sac on ice told me it wasn't her fault as their was nothing she could do. How about driving in a manner appropriate to the road conditions and even if necessary not driving on that section of road if they are unable to do so safely. People having passed their test see people driving inapropriately even committing motoring offences, and through ignorance believe this is acceptable and subsequently do the same. I would be happy for regular retesting to be introduced, it would reduce the number of unsafe drivers and restore the fact that to drive is a priviledge and not a given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 The problem occurs when an elderly driver fails to identify that his abilities are declining and that his limitations are increasing. Yes, that's it in a nutshell, all joking aside I don't think anyone was seriously trying to say ALL old drivers are necessarily bad drivers, Stirling Moss has just retired from competative driving at the age of 81 and could probably still outdrive most of the population!! However there comes a stage when all of us should hang up our keys, me included. God willing when the time comes I will have the wherewithal to make that decision before I become a danger to myself and other road users. However it would be preferable for everyone if there was some form of compulsory testing so that I know when that time has come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintime Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 As a profesional large goods driver (44ton artic) for the past 21 years i have seen it all from blow jobs on motorways to drivers nodding off, accross all age groups, There are good and bad in all areas be it driveing to shooting, The fact is people dont have time we live life at such a fast pace in my job its delivery time windows, If only people could take a min and look again as i do so often as there is so meny blind spots the times i have gone to pull out and not seen some one because of a door piller mirror etc this also happens in cars. Try this place your index finger 1 inch infront of you eye see or rather see what you can not see i think this will shock you. Accedents occour but no one dose it on purpose all through rushing it only takes a min to live and a second to die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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