cockercas Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Just been reading a post on mounting a cabinet. The lad who wrote it said he carnt mount it above the skirting because someone could put a jack under it and get the cabinet of the wall. Another poster said he wasent aloud to put his over the skirting and pack the rest out. Because someone could crow bar it of the wall. I've read before that feo had made people put it in corners of rooms because its harder to bar it of the wall. Now in theory this is all good but not in practice. Modern construction blocks have to meet certain u values. Which means modern blocks are full of tiny air holes (like an areo chocolate bar) and are **** for screwing into. Mine has 6 rawl bolts in but I can pull it of the wall. modern blocks just compress when you tighten the bolt. and as for getting a bar behind the cabinet. Dot and dab plasterboard. Quick tap with the bar and the plaster board gose thru. Then you can get a bar nicely behind the cabinet. Even if its proper render instead of dot and dab it chips away. Even if it dose come of the wall they still have to hump a great huge heavy cabinet around As the law states you only have to make it reasonable. I think feos are making ridiculous requests. Has anyone questioned it. I'm going to have a word with the feo next time I see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Mine are all fixed to a dry-lined plasterboard wall.Hasn't been a problem with my FEO so far,but will let you know;he's coming round in the morning.I have good coffee and plenty of chockie bikkies in stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-oXo- Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 My feo popped round asked where my cabinet was and I just said under the stairs and opened the door. He said ok without even going near it or looking at it. Some are stricter than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 That's what I'm getting at. When I moved a woman pcso come round to check the cabinet. She put a foot on the wall and started pulling like ****. I stopped her and sacked her off. Then a bloke come round opened the door put his hand on it and said no probs. Some are abit power mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-oXo- Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 That's what I'm getting at. When I moved a woman pcso come round to check the cabinet. She put a foot on the wall and started pulling like ****. I stopped her and sacked her off. Then a bloke come round opened the door put his hand on it and said no probs. Some are abit power mad Anyone put their foot on my walls the misses would be putting them out the bloody door before I got a chance to pipe up. Cheek of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolhead Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Mine is raised above an old high skirting. It's on a plinth made from 3/4" solid wood board. I had no problems. Someone at the club recommended I go around the back edge with epoxy so a tool couldn't be inserted but I didn't. It's a subjective decision of the FEO and is influenced by what's in it and the neighbourhood. If there is a problem write to the FLO as he is ultimately responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar_uk Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 My FEO wasn't happy with the fact that I had a gap around the top of the cabinet due to the walls being as straight as a politician and made a big song and dance about getting it rectified which I duly did by moving it to another wall. I let her know that I had done what I asked but she never bothered to come and see ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I can think of 101 ways to get one off the wall however its mounted or into it (it's only 2mm steel) but the idea of people carrying jacks to get them off walls means they know what they are going for! As an RFD said to me as i commented on his reinforced steel vault door to his strong room. "if they come for the guns they'll just politely ask me for keys......" Doesn't matter how strong the door or the bolts are..... It will stop the average house burglar or at least slow them down....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted August 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 That's it when Their making unreasonable requests. If someone breaks into your house and boils the kettle and threatens to tip it on the kids. Your giving them the keys and helping to load them into Their car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 If someone breaks into your house and boils the kettle and threatens to tip it on the kids. Your giving them the keys and helping to load them into Their car Could one in those circumstances then legally shoot the person holding the kettle? :yp: When all those footballers houses were getting done while they were playing matches the gangs knew what they were going for and where, result the clubs employ security guards (and the top ones wont be from the day shift at top shop) to house sit despite the houses having top monitored alarms, CCTV, gates, high walls etc etc etc. When an empty house becomes too hard they go for the occupied ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Mine is in a corner, rawl bolted directly to a concrete floor in a square hole cut through the carpet and the skirting board is cut away and plaster chipped away so its flat againt the wall. The wall is breeze block, so instead of rawl bolts, the bolts are seated in drilled out holes filled with a chemical fixant. The edge of the cabinet is plastered round so there is no gap between the wall and the cabinet at all as it is sunk about half an inch beneth the visible wall surface. It satisfied the FEO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted August 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Yer but given 2 minuets or so It will be off the wall. As for shooting the one with the kettle. Last thing I would be worried about is losing the fac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Could one in those circumstances then legally shoot the person holding the kettle? :yp: Yes. Immediate and obvious threat to life; therefore self defence justifies taking a life to preserve your loved ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 That's what I'm getting at. When I moved a woman pcso come round to check the cabinet. She put a foot on the wall and started pulling like ****. I stopped her and sacked her off. Then a bloke come round opened the door put his hand on it and said no probs. Some are abit power mad I would love to see a woman PCSO try to do that with mine - The bottom of mine is just over 3 foot off the floor height. That would bring a new meaning to getting her leg over! When my FEO came to check for my initial SGC application he just asked me to open the cabinet, saw that I had used 6 new raw bolts to fix it with and said "fine" and then sat back down to enjoy his cup of tea, he did the same with my ammo safe when I got my FAC! It does seem that some are on some sort of a "power trip"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baconbuttie Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 My FEO just looked to see that my cabinet was actually bolted to the wall. When I asked him about it he made it very clear that firearm security was MY responsibility and not his. If I didn't secure the cabinet properly and it was stolen then he would be after me to explain why. However, if I'm left with 4 or 6 bricks missing where the cabinet used to be, he's going to not be quite so harsh. Seems fair. He told me about a case he had on recently when an SGC holder had a gun go missing from his truck. At 4am while he was tucked up in bed. He's now an non-SGC holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenBhoy Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 That's what I'm getting at. When I moved a woman pcso come round to check the cabinet. She put a foot on the wall and started pulling like ****. I stopped her and sacked her off. Then a bloke come round opened the door put his hand on it and said no probs. Some are abit power mad exactly. when i moved to new area, he popped round, showed him, he impressed cos it behind a second lockable door in an already locked room. he didn't even touch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polester Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 At the end of the day if someone wants the cabinet they will get take it one way or another. There was a break in a couple of years ago where to steal the safe they knocked the wall it was attached to down, It was a well organized robbery as the safe was an old bank safe and weighed god knows how much, but they used a trolley to move it out of the house. The only thing you can do is make it hard for opportunistic thieves, and be careful who knows that there are guns in the property Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenBhoy Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 At the end of the day if someone wants the cabinet they will get take it one way or another. There was a break in a couple of years ago where to steal the safe they knocked the wall it was attached to down, It was a well organized robbery as the safe was an old bank safe and weighed god knows how much, but they used a trolley to move it out of the house. The only thing you can do is make it hard for opportunistic thieves, and be careful who knows that there are guns in the property this is very sound advice. no need to be bragging about your gun ownership to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Every one knows I have guns in my village. It dosent bother me. When I lived with my dad people got broke into all around us. Probably someone local who knows I have guns and didn't want to take the risk of been shot by a naked 15 year old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Had mine check a few years back when I had moved to a new area the guy was not happy with the security plan as to many people could see the guns. I pointed out to him it was in a secure cage in a secure armoury in an alarmed bunker in a guarded army camp. And it was with 9 browning pistols 240ish sa80s 18 lsw 36 lmg 8 gpmg and he was worried my 2 12 bores a 410 and a 22lr would what the stole. In the end BASC made them see sense took 2 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 remember one thing most gun shops there guns are only secure by a wire rope fair enough they have got good alarms and bars on windows but my house as top of range alarm minus the bars mine is jacked up over skirting board not one comment just looked at it thats all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Had mine check a few years back when I had moved to a new area the guy was not happy with the security plan as to many people could see the guns. I pointed out to him it was in a secure cage in a secure armoury in an alarmed bunker in a guarded army camp. And it was with 9 browning pistols 240ish sa80s 18 lsw 36 lmg 8 gpmg and he was worried my 2 12 bores a 410 and a 22lr would what the stole. In the end BASC made them see sense took 2 weeks I am surprised they let him in to check.... Really they questioned you keeping them in a MOD armoury? Most RFD's have far more security than a wire (infact all the ones i have seen have strong rooms as well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvid wings Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 well mines ,,,,not telling you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Just been reading a post on mounting a cabinet. The lad who wrote it said he carnt mount it above the skirting because someone could put a jack under it and get the cabinet of the wall. Another poster said he wasent aloud to put his over the skirting and pack the rest out. Because someone could crow bar it of the wall. I've read before that feo had made people put it in corners of rooms because its harder to bar it of the wall. Now in theory this is all good but not in practice. Modern construction blocks have to meet certain u values. Which means modern blocks are full of tiny air holes (like an areo chocolate bar) and are **** for screwing into. Mine has 6 rawl bolts in but I can pull it of the wall. modern blocks just compress when you tighten the bolt. and as for getting a bar behind the cabinet. Dot and dab plasterboard. Quick tap with the bar and the plaster board gose thru. Then you can get a bar nicely behind the cabinet. Even if its proper render instead of dot and dab it chips away. Even if it dose come of the wall they still have to hump a great huge heavy cabinet around As the law states you only have to make it reasonable. I think feos are making ridiculous requests. Has anyone questioned it. I'm going to have a word with the feo next time I see him. I have not read all the responses so apologies if this has been covered. Check the Firearms Security Handbook, this tells you what you are meant to do! In your case the probable answer is resin bolts, available from all good DIY stores, not cheap, but in effect glue the bolts into the wall. Your FEO will have to be satisfied your Cabinet is Firmly attached, in some instances this takes the form of trying to wrench it off the wall, in other cases he won't even bother looking and simply ask if you have a cabinet! Some are real jobs worths and make you jump through hoops, and the skirting business often crops up! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 I am surprised they let him in to check.... Really they questioned you keeping them in a MOD armoury? Most RFD's have far more security than a wire (infact all the ones i have seen have strong rooms as well) Some cock and bull store checked it for 6 of us at once he was worried as he believed anyone in the unit could have walk in a borrowed them. Not understand the military sop of correctly security clear soliders only allow passd the inner door. We did take the **** out of the chef of police at the next regimental reunion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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