Dekers Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) First off let me make it clear that even I think we are ridiculously wasteful and it ****** me off all the packaging etc I buy at the supermarket and then simply throw away (there is more of course) ...BUT.. Someone please tell me why EVERYTHING Environmentally friendly apparently costs me more! Car Insurance is now sold on a basis of Carbon Neutral... **** me, I can plant a tree, I don't need you! Solar panels cost more to make and install (and use up more energy to make than they save) and physically cost me more during their lifetime than I can save. Windmills are stupid money and my neighbours are not keen on the sight or NOISE! It costs me more/uses more energy to drive to the paper/cardboard and glass recycling centre than I can ever offset by what I recycle! And if I **** the ozone get a bigger hole. And as for Fair trade, we pay double the money for the coffee/bananas etc and the growers may get 1p or 2p extra! I despair, Someone save the world from itself! Have a nice day! Edited September 18, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 It kinda makes Jeremy Clarksons ideas and side of the debate look credible doesn't it? Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 I agree - we're forced to use excess packaging from the supermarket week in and week out, then banned from using carrier bags and forced to pay silly taxes on anything they can think of! Sort the individual packets out! Grrrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Hi grumpy ! Some things are useful and save waste (landfill), composting waste for example. Reducing water usage or collecting rainwater-good Reducing power usage/more economical use of power-good Insulating houses - good Burning wood (carbon neutralapparently)- good I personally think banning fa****g in all species would do more good than many 'sustainabilty initiatives'. If you have a means of doing that you'd be on to a winner !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) First off let me make it clear that even I think we are ridiculously wasteful and it ****** me off all the packaging etc I buy at the supermarket and then simply throw away (there is more of course) ...BUT.. Someone please tell me why EVERYTHING Environmentally friendly apparently costs me more! If making things the environmentally-friendly way cost the less than doing it a non-environmentally way, then this would never need be an issue in environmentalism! Car Insurance is now sold on a basis of Carbon Neutral... **** me, I can plant a tree, I don't need you! That is because being green is now big market business, it pays to make green customers think your company is green, and has postive rep to show that you are activly encouraging less c02 usage - simple business tactics that have always been used one way or another Solar panels cost more to make and install (and use up more energy to make than they save) and physically cost me more during their lifetime than I can save. Yes, that's pretty much true, while an arguably effective for some appliances, they are not an effective source of energy within the UK due to the amount of sunlight we get, the trick is working on making the manufacturing process cheaper, which will happen with time Windmills are stupid money and my neighbours are not keen on the sight or NOISE! Tough titties, people used to moan the same about electricity pylons, further to the point you are now stuck with windmills due to the completely unnecessary fear mongaring associated with the only safe, clean, and relativity unobtrusive energy source that is nuclear, try and change peoples opinions about this and you really wouldn't have to worry about windmills that much, at least not in our lifetimes It costs me more/uses more energy to drive to the paper/cardboard and glass recycling center than I can ever offset by what I recycle! Possibly, that's why the council collects cardboard in your green bin, also the energy cost of driving to a bottle bank can easily be offset by using the one at your supermarket, or other place of business that you pass frequently. And if I **** the ozone get a bigger hole. Methane has no effect on ozone, furthermore the size of hole in the ozone fluctuates throughout the year more so to environmental (temperature, and volcanic activity mostly) the issue with CFC's has been addressed to good effect in the first world, with emerging superpowers hopefully falling in suit soon And as for Fair trade, we pay double the money for the coffee/bananas etc and the growers may get 1p or 2p extra! Depends on the scheme, if you care take some research into it, better still don't buy imported goods and buy British! use your local green grocer and butchers and you won't have to worry anyhow I despair, Someone save the world from itself! This is the main issue, You are like a person stuck in a traffic jam moaning that if everyone else took the bus, you wouldn't be stuck, don't be a moaning hypocrite and do the minimal, it's not about one person making a massive change but a large amount of people making small ones. Have a nice day! Edited September 18, 2011 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 The planet is not under threat. It has coped with much greater problems than we are throwing at it at the moment. Humans - Now that is another thing. They are under a huge threat. What has caused it? The human population of the world has TREBLED in the last eighty years - There's a clue. If it was any other species on the planet then what do you think we would be doing about this plague? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 I think you are quite right about it all All just marketing to make us feel warm and fuzzy. My personal favourite is the clearing of rain forest to grow food to make bio fuel for my car, while a large part of the world population goes to bed hungry. At least my car has reduced emissions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 What gets on my whick is being expected to wash my cans for the recycling? It goes into a chuffing blast furnace doesn't it?? I'm not wasting my leccy washing junk that I pay to be taken away. If they took it for nothing I wouldn't mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Just a litle observation about solar panels although I do agree with Deckers rant. If you look at the wholesale price of solar panels as imported from China where most of them are made, and compare it with the retail price as offered to Joe public you will realise there is a fantastic level of markup being made by the companies. Like many things it is a band wagon. These things could go out for a fraction of the cost that is being suggested and still be profitable for them. At the moment the idea is pure hype. Hopefully in time it will come down, and it needs to. The salesman makes ££££ the company makes ££££ and the buyer is paying way over the odds. Once these things stabilise it could be a good option. Don't buy now, hold out for sensible prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) The planet is not under threat. It has coped with much greater problems than we are throwing at it at the moment. Humans - Now that is another thing. They are under a huge threat. What has caused it? The human population of the world has TREBLED in the last eighty years - There's a clue. If it was any other species on the planet then what do you think we would be doing about this plague? True words, and the population is set to double again in the next 50 years. Maybe not us but our kids will see more famines and wars over water rights. No politician will talk about it because they have no answers and solutions are hugely contentious and political suicide for anyone who would dare to even speak about it. The areas of the world where the population is growing most rapidly are those areas least able to sustain it.A nice problem to leave on hold for the next generation. Couple that with the running out of carbon fuels and wavering global economies and you have a potential for wars and genocide on a scale previously unimagined. The West will have to build fortress economies to keep people out. Mass migration is already happening, it will only accelerate. Edited September 18, 2011 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 The planet is not under threat. It has coped with much greater problems than we are throwing at it at the moment. Humans - Now that is another thing. They are under a huge threat. What has caused it? The human population of the world has TREBLED in the last eighty years - There's a clue. If it was any other species on the planet then what do you think we would be doing about this plague? i can sence a mention of concentration camps comeing on hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Monkey Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 True words, and the population is set to double again in the next 50 years. Maybe not us but our kids will see more famines and wars over water rights. No politician will talk about it because they have no answers and solutions are hugely contentious and political suicide for anyone who would dare to even speak about it. Nothin' like a good faminine, desease or world war to thin out the population, nature always prevails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Monkey Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 What gets on my whick is being expected to wash my cans for the recycling? It goes into a chuffing blast furnace doesn't it?? I'm not wasting my leccy washing junk that I pay to be taken away. If they took it for nothing I wouldn't mind. I'm with ya there fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 True words, and the population is set to double again in the next 50 years. Maybe not us but our kids will see more famines and wars over water rights. No politician will talk about it because they have no answers and solutions are hugely contentious and political suicide for anyone who would dare to even speak about it. The areas of the world where the population is growing most rapidly are those areas least able to sustain it.A nice problem to leave on hold for the next generation. Couple that with the running out of carbon fuels and wavering global economies and you have a potential for wars and genocide on a scale previously unimagined. The West will have to build fortress economies to keep people out. Mass migration is already happening, it will only accelerate. We're already seeing decisions made at EU and UK level being affected by this knowledge, even though they don't come out and say too much about it. Sustainability is suddenly a factor in many of the decisions they take. (Not all of them - and not to say I agree with any of them!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 I can still remember going to the grocers on Dudley road in Birmingum and having half pound of broken biscuits in paper bag - the biscuits were in a tin with glass lid on floor and dog's used to pee on them - didn't seem to have done me any harm and we burnt bags on fire to keep us warm all night. Now todays bubble plastic coated things - I now have a large pair of scissors to cut them open - the minute I slice my finger open i will take loads of pictures - go to hospital and do my best to sue the company that sold or made goods. - No one considers old people anymore. dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Bet you can't wait for the new energy efficient but utterly **** lightbulbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Nothin' like a good faminine, desease or world war to thin out the population, nature always prevails. I'm not sure you can put war down as a natural occurrence? :o People in third world countries have more children to offset the high child mortality rate caused by famine and disease. It's a catch 22 situation, and unlikely to change anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 People should be banned from having any more than one child that would solve alot of problems i would say the world cant sustain the growth of the population as it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willxx Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 People should be banned from having any more than one child that would solve alot of problems i would say the world cant sustain the growth of the population as it is The Peoples Republic have been on that one for a while, I'm sure we thought it was a touch harsh at the time??? Screw the planet, we've just spotted some new ones! DailyMash Seriously though we should be looking to explore space properly, (old RAH quote "humanity is too fragile a resource to put all our eggs in one basket") if we can't crack deep space exploration then robot ships designed to snag a suitable asteroid to replenish some resources as a start. Anyone know if a comparison plotting the expansion of human growth on the planet with a model of a virus has been done? My guess would be that we have expanded across the face of the planet like a mould, it fits really when you see the new photos of the universe which look like bacteria under a microscope :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Bet you can't wait for the new energy efficient but utterly **** lightbulbs thats if you have any lecky to power them? KW http://www.dimwatt.eu/index.php/our-campaigns/keeping-the-lights-on/submitted-letters/90-national-grids-message-to-britain-prepare-to-become-a-third-world-country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentbarrel Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 My grumpy young man rant is that everyone is constnanlty being told that Landfill is bad. In reality none of the 'bad' substances ever escape the landfill, as its completely sealed by various materials. All gases that the landfill naturatly emits due to decomposition is used as a fuel or flared off and so is burnt at high temperatures and the emissions from the engines/flares are nowhere near as bad as alot of other stuff going into the atmosphere. Rant over!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 One that gets up my nose is car parking they think that by limiting car parking charging for it in towns it will make people use public transport no all that happens is people spend lots of time driving round in circles looking for a place that is cheep or free to park in and ends up using loads more fuel. Why do people like supermarkets large car parks free parking no waiting to park simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 The Peoples Republic have been on that one for a while, I'm sure we thought it was a touch harsh at the time??? Screw the planet, we've just spotted some new ones! DailyMash Seriously though we should be looking to explore space properly, (old RAH quote "humanity is too fragile a resource to put all our eggs in one basket") if we can't crack deep space exploration then robot ships designed to snag a suitable asteroid to replenish some resources as a start. Anyone know if a comparison plotting the expansion of human growth on the planet with a model of a virus has been done? My guess would be that we have expanded across the face of the planet like a mould, it fits really when you see the new photos of the universe which look like bacteria under a microscope :o At the time maybe but now i think they had the right idea tbh i appear to be the only person i no who has not had children im only 28 and not gonna have any (had the snip) most have more than one most are in a council house and or benefits and im paying for it,if i were to have wanted kids i would have made sure i had my own house decent job etc before i had kids i must be crazy thinking thats the way to do it because nobody else does slightly off topic my rant sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 I dont mind a sensible point well made (about anything) but 100% in the UK well not even the UK as Scotland always has a get out or subsidy, its about charging you more or justifying charging you more whilst 99% of the rest of the world blows smoke up yer chimney (like USA and China) for some very strange reason we like to make rules that puts us out of pocket or at a disadvantage and we are the only ones to play by the rules and the big boys must sit there laughing there kocks off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 I dont mind a sensible point well made (about anything) but 100% in the UK well not even the UK as Scotland always has a get out or subsidy, its about charging you more or justifying charging you more whilst 99% of the rest of the world blows smoke up yer chimney (like USA and China) for some very strange reason we like to make rules that puts us out of pocket or at a disadvantage and we are the only ones to play by the rules and the big boys must sit there laughing there kocks off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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