ajb403 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Thought this may be of interest to people: https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/406 Cheers Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Petition signed Not before time too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philm Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBS Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 How will this ever work? There are plenty of people that deal in cash when they are not supposed to, why will this be any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Not for me.Quite like getting the old beer money in cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holly Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 How will this ever work? There are plenty of people that deal in cash when they are not supposed to, why will this be any different? it wont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 nothing to do with cash it`s the scrap dealer turning a blind eye to dodgy metal deals to line there own pockets.the scrap dealer i use takes all your details and car details and all on cctv and logged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Not for me.Quite like getting the old beer money in cash. same here its always nice to get the odd £50 or £100 for what is indeed scrap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster1971 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 no chance, it will make no difference and the tax man see's enough of everyones hard earned without taking more from the perks if anything the scrap dealers should be checked on a more regular basis to see what they have got sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddywack12 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Not for me.Quite like getting the old beer money in cash. Sorry not for me either. I come across quite a bit of scrap in my game (all legit)and Ive had some right results in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onefulham Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) I work for the railway and can tell you it is much needed, the scum tow rags are causing loads of grief, something has to be done, we lost £20,000+ of cable at Harpenden, run in, ready to install, then gone, hope they cut a live cable and fry ! Edited November 10, 2011 by onefulham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I would be gutted if this came in, the nature of my business means that we generate a bit of scrap over the month and 2 of us then take it in and earn a few extra £ cash. This is what normally funds my shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 But people are quite happy to see council tax, road tax, house insurance possibly car insurance all go up because they have to replace or repair what thief's have stolen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusSmart Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) I work for the railway and can tell you it is much needed, the scum tow rags are causing loads of grief, something has to be done, welost £20,000 of cable at Harpenden, run in, ready to install, then gone, hope they cut a live cable and fry ! I think the problem here is down to the scrap dealer taking it in the first place. I have seen 2 kids barely able to push a bike into a scrap dealer with a bag over the cross bar no doubt full of stolen lead!! The scrap dealer should only deal with legitimate traders who should have a Waste Carriers License, and not anyone who turns up with a bit/lot of scrap! Edited November 10, 2011 by MarcusSmart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 But people are quite happy to see council tax, road tax, house insurance possibly car insurance all go up because they have to replace or repair what thief's have stolen. Dont be so naive fella.Do you really think if stealing stops our taxes go down?Maybe in Walt Disney land,no in mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themacclad Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Sorted............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I think the problem here is down to the scrap dealer taking it in the first place. I have seen 2 kids barely able to push a bike into a scrap dealer with a bag over the cross bar no doubt full of stolen lead!! The scrap dealer should only deal with legitimate traders who should have a Waste Carriers License, and not anyone who turns up with a bit/lot of scrap! Quite a presumption to make there.You sound like my old fella,if i guy goes to a pub hes an alkie.When i was 10 i used to go doon to the local scrapper with a wee bag of lead now and again,and none was stolen,although you would have presumed it was.Lead made good money then and topped up the pocket money nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 The waste carriers licence is only needed if the scrap you carry was not generated by yourself, so sparkys taking in wire offcuts or plumbers taking in pipe offcuts or like me old car panels that we have replaced don't need one. Like other people have said the scrap yards are the ones who need more closely looking at, but how many would struggle if you took away all the people who take a bit in as and when? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Not a cat in Hells chance am I signing that. Some people get to abuse their expenses, some use the company vehicle privately or maybe put a few fuel bills through they shouldn't, others maybe don't work the hours they book etc, this is one of the few remaining perks of the building trades and I'll do nothing to hasten it's demise. Rather than penalising the majority, they'd be better off identifying and dealing with the unscrupulous dealers rather than those dealing in genuine scrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onefulham Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) Well sorry all you who like a little extra cash, I have signed and pretty sure it is coming, no-one in power cared when fences , old pipe, even when war memorials went to be honest, people are naturaly upset, but as soon as it effects big business, change happens, thank the thieving ****** ! Edited November 10, 2011 by onefulham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 The waste carriers licence is only needed if the scrap you carry was not generated by yourself, so sparkys taking in wire offcuts or plumbers taking in pipe offcuts or like me old car panels that we have replaced don't need one. Like other people have said the scrap yards are the ones who need more closely looking at, but how many would struggle if you took away all the people who take a bit in as and when? So declare it and pay your tax on it, it's not hard - you don't lose it all, just the tax element of the additional income. I'm sick to death of having lead and copper nicked off my sites and either my insurance premiums go up because of it or I have to stand for the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Stupid idea The scrappy who takes in bent gear isn't going to stop is he! Its getting ridiculous in this country now, all this and other schemes like it will do is to punish the honest people, whilst making no difference at all to the people set on breaking the law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerdeor Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I argee that cash is always handy,however how many pikie's do you know that would like the money paid straight into there bank account !!! It may just have an impact on thing,just may atb Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusSmart Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 The waste carriers licence is only needed if the scrap you carry was not generated by yourself, so sparkys taking in wire offcuts or plumbers taking in pipe offcuts or like me old car panels that we have replaced don't need one. Like other people have said the scrap yards are the ones who need more closely looking at, but how many would struggle if you took away all the people who take a bit in as and when? Not getting into an argument but: 'A waste carrier's licence is a permit that is required for the transportation of waste by businesses' 'You must identify whether the waste is being carried ‘in the course of any business’ or with ‘a view to a profit’. This includes businesses that are not waste contractors or skip operators but which transport waste.' 'If you carry controlled wastes for profit within Great Britain and you are not the waste producer you do need to register. If you are the waste producer (see definitions) you generally do not need to register as a carrier when carrying your own waste until after the end of December 2013. However, waste producers who are not otherwise specified persons, do currently need to register as an upper tier carrier if the waste they produce and carry is construction or demolition waste (see definitions).' Also Any waste produced as a result of construction or demolition works, typically building infrastructure. As registration is required for those who produce construction and demolition wastes, a definition is useful to guide what is and what is not construction and demolition. The definition of 'construction' in the Waste (England and Wales) Regulations 2011 includes improvement, repair and alteration. Construction and demolition may include wastes from the carrying out of any building, civil engineering or engineering construction work including: the construction, alteration, conversion, fitting out, commissioning, renovation, repair, upkeep, redecoration or other maintenance (including cleaning which involves the use of water or an abrasive at high pressure or the use of corrosive or toxic substances), de-commissioning, demolition or dismantling of a structure the preparation for an intended structure, including site clearance, exploration, investigation (but not site survey) and excavation, and the clearance or preparation of the site or structure for use or occupation at its conclusion the assembly on site of prefabricated elements to form a structure, or the disassembly on site of prefabricated elements which, immediately before such disassembly, formed a structure the removal of a structure or of any product or waste resulting from demolition or dismantling of a structure, or from disassembly of prefabricated elements which immediately before such disassembly formed such a structure the installation, commissioning, maintenance, repair or removal of mechanical, electrical, gas, compressed air, hydraulic, telecommunications, computer or similar services which are normally fixed within or to a structure, Examples of construction and demolition wastes would include: baths sinks fences windows walls doors plasterboard pipe-work radiators any items that had been part of, or had been, an infrastructure wastes from the exploration for, or extraction of, mineral resources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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