Simon123 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) Well i was out shooting today, when i caught a quick glance of a fox about 30 yards away. I quickly put a 50g 3" Express Max Game BB cartridge into my semi auto, and the fox finally came in to my sight at about 20 yards. This was when my trouble started. I pulled the trigger and i felt the recoil from the cartridge, but noticed there was no bang made by the gun. I noticed that the fox had been hid as it twisted but was running strongly (but i knew my dad was at the other side of the field and he had a clear shot at it). I was going to give the fox another shot but noticed just before pulling the trigger that the gun hadn't cycled the next cartridge into the chamber and the fired cartridge hadn't been ejected. I then went to inspect what had happened as i knew that a 50g BB cartridge would have dropped a fox like a sack of **** at 20 yards. I noticed that the plastic WAD from inside the cartridge was stuck inside the barrel just behind the choke, but i have no idea how it happened, as i've shot plenty of these cartridge's from the same gun and the same choke without any problems and if i had fired another cartridge through the gun, i would have no barrel left or i possibly wouldn't be standing/writing this now So my question to you is, what may have caused this to happen??? Edited November 26, 2011 by Simon123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Little or no powder, the primer alone will push the shot out of the barrel and leave the wad stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crob12 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 you were very lucky ive been within a couple of feet of a barrel exploding and i was lucky not be be hit by the foot long piece of barrel that when flying down the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 i agree with little / no powder, or powder that for what ever reason did'nt catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Damp even! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Damp even! U. that'd be my guess, 50g of lead is a lot for the primer to push, not sure if it would manage this or not, did you look inside the spent case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aister Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) it could just be that express max game are, IMO, s###e. me and a few of us have tried them on geese here in shetland where we can use lead, and we all think they are rubbish. geese 20-25 yards up you can hear the pellets hitting the birds but they dont drop and any geese that did drop had to have their necks wrung which is not what you want. my friend had a simmilar thing happen to him, he fired at geese directly above him with a max game BB, ther was a pop and the pellets just made it out the barrel and fell back and hit him in the face :blink: :blink: :blink:, he had to take his sx3 to bits to get the spent shell out of the chamber as the skirt on the wad was melted by the powder and glued itself to the crimped end of the shell. i can honestly say i wouldn't take express max game out to shoot at live quarry. i get on well with the express 2 3/4" shells but not the 3" stuff. this is just my opinion, please dont slate me for it, there are pw members that seem to get on well with them, i use gamebore mammoth 50gr 3's for decoyed geese or RC 50gr BB's for pass shooting and they are much harder hitting than the express. Edited November 26, 2011 by aister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotland rifles Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 as above mate. low on no powder in the case, this is what happened to me the very first time i fired a semi auto and since that day i have not had a semi and only own the one in my signature as my mate goes pigeon shooting and i try to from time to time. bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 This is the reason why I will never own a semi auto. I just dont like them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 This is the reason why I will never own a semi auto. I just dont like them! There's nothing wrong with semi autos, they wont cycle the next cartridge if there wasn't enough pressure to clear the first shot. I've had the same thing happen with a 20g silver pigeon and it would have been just as easy to put another round down that too without checking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 1994 Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 did your dad get the fox when it went through to him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon123 Posted November 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 did your dad get the fox when it went through to him ? Yes, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) I had this happen a few years back. I would say Its caused by not enough powder in the cartridge. Edited November 28, 2011 by silverhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Yes, why? Probably concerned that the fox didn't make it away pricked by your shot to suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~MX Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 it could just be that express max game are, IMO, s###e. me and a few of us have tried them on geese here in shetland where we can use lead, and we all think they are rubbish. geese 20-25 yards up you can hear the pellets hitting the birds but they dont drop and any geese that did drop had to have their necks wrung which is not what you want. Hi Aister, instead of wringin the necks of wounded birds why don't you carry a priest and hit them on the back of the head which would dispatch of them cleanly and quickly and not mark your birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mag357 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Had similar experience at clay shoot, plas wad jammed just infront of chamber. As I load my own I knew right aweay what the problem was.....no powder,the primer was sufficient to eject the shot about 3 feet but wad stayed in. If it does not sound or feel right check and double check.....happy foxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 it could just be that express max game are, IMO, s###e. me and a few of us have tried them on geese here in shetland where we can use lead, and we all think they are rubbish........ I disagree, I`ve shot geese with them for years and they drop OK and with all things legal, I have taken roe with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 1994 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I was just wondering if the fox got away or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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