scotland rifles Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) ok lads. i was offered a cracking 17hmr set up on this very forum (2 in fact) but when i asked one chap for the cost of a RFD they came back with £50, but then found another that would do it for £25, i then called j Seville's in Mansfield area, £45. then Mansfield gun shop, who where rather rude as well, £40. i am gob smacked i pat the shipping costs of £15 to £20 so yet again are we getting ripped off. bob. SO WITH THAT EDITION OF THE ABOVE COSTS I CANT AFFORD THE RIFLE. Edited December 2, 2011 by scotland rifles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 ok lads. i was offered a cracking 17hmr set up on this very forum (2 in fact) but when i asked one chap for the cost of a RFD they came back with £50, but then found another that would do it for £25, i then called j Seville's in Mansfield area, £45. then Mansfield gun shop, who where rather rude as well, £40. i am gob smacked i pat the shipping costs of £15 to £20 so yet again are we getting ripped off. bob. SO WITH THAT EDITION OF THE ABOVE COSTS I CANT AFFORD THE RIFLE. have a look at RFD NET http://www.rfdnet.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poacher Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 how do you think the gunshop feels when they're trying to sell stuff and being used as a glorified post office ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 how do you think the gunshop feels when they're trying to sell stuff and being used as a glorified post office ?? Probably quite happy to be getting £25 to £50 for doing very little, if I got paid every time I took a parcel in for my neighbours I'd certainly not be complaining!. And both my local RFDs are more than happy to have anything shipped via them for that very reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poacher Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 exactly if they didn't charge they wouldn't make anything for goods (because it was bought elsewhere) or services, not much of a business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Think those fees sound reasonable,why should they handle guns for less,they`re there to make money, not be charities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I have paid £25 to have the firearm sent to my RFD mate, but he does'nt charge me, so I usually give him a tenner. I sent a shotgun to a buyer, via Sportsman Guncentre, and they only charged me £10. Usual charge is £25 'each way'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 RFD.net £14.95 to collect from seller to yr RFD http://www.rfdnet.net/PDF/pricing_matrix4.pdf and then what the rdf will charge to sign to yr ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotland rifles Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 seems i hit a nerve. it was simply the fact that they do nothing for the price they ask,I heard a chap say once,some RFDs i know don't even enter it in there books as they know it will be shipped in a day or two,. when i heard that i found it hard to believe, bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 they have to add it to their books, then notify the area firearms dept, mine charges postage plus 25 bills, for the paperwork, not cheap i know but business is business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 As I said, both of my local RFDs are more than happy to provide this service as apart from a bit of paperwork it's (almost) money for nothing, £25 to £50 for a few minutes form filling. I have no problem with them charging to do this but I think anyone charging over £25 is taking the **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotland rifles Posted December 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) As I said, both of my local RFDs are more than happy to provide this service as apart from a bit of paperwork it's (almost) money for nothing, £25 to £50 for a few minutes form filling. I have no problem with them charging to do this but I think anyone charging over £25 is taking the **** thats my feeling exactly, and as i am looking for a new 17 hmr, that added charge has lost 3 people the sale of their rifles as it takes the total costs to me as the buyer past what i have to spend. so now i have to look at meeting up with someone and that can cause problems with times/ a day off work for some people and driving around the country trying to find a meeting point etc. anyway i'm off to see if i can find my new rifle. Edited December 3, 2011 by scotland rifles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flutterbyfran Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 I have to say that I think £25 is reasonable considering that the sending RFD has to book in, notify the police on the transfer and arrange delivery. The receiving RFD should open the package and check the firearm, book it in and do the paperwork for the transfer out. TNT charge around £16 and they're the only ones who will carry firearms, so it depends whether your RFD is charging purely for the admin, or for the P&P as well. And this is for no profit on the gun for them, so if they're running a shop, it's distracting them from their core business so I think a little charge for the time spent is reasonable. *now prepares to get shot down in flames* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 I have to say that I think £25 is reasonable considering that the sending RFD has to book in, notify the police on the transfer and arrange delivery. The receiving RFD should open the package and check the firearm, book it in and do the paperwork for the transfer out. TNT charge around £16 and they're the only ones who will carry firearms, so it depends whether your RFD is charging purely for the admin, or for the P&P as well. And this is for no profit on the gun for them, so if they're running a shop, it's distracting them from their core business so I think a little charge for the time spent is reasonable. *now prepares to get shot down in flames* My RFD mate will not accept money for taking in a firearm for anyone, but as I said in an earlier post, I usually give him a tenner. He took a rifle in for me, booked it onto his list, wrote it on my licence, and faxed the 'sale' to the local police headquarters. All done in less than 20 minutes. He has stated that to charge £25+ is disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Last time I got a gun brought over the RFD sending charged me whatever Parcel Farce charged (25 Notes). The RFD receiving charged me nothing, but then thats maybe because I am a regular customer who usually buys everything from him. Normally however, if you just walk in off the street and want him to receive a gun he charges 25 quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 I think charging someone £25 for administrative paperwork is criminal considering it takes less than two minutes to complete. It's as if the RFD is punishing you for not purchasing through them, because they couldn't supply what you were after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclestuffy Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 My RFD mate will not accept money for taking in a firearm for anyone, but as I said in an earlier post, I usually give him a tenner. He took a rifle in for me, booked it onto his list, wrote it on my licence, and faxed the 'sale' to the local police headquarters. All done in less than 20 minutes. He has stated that to charge £25+ is disgusting. Steve - just to complete the picture does your friend run a shop or gunsmiths or is he a gun trader from a home location? Does he have any staff working for him Kindest regards US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclestuffy Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 I think charging someone £25 for administrative paperwork is criminal considering it takes less than two minutes to complete. It's as if the RFD is punishing you for not purchasing through them, because they couldn't supply what you were after. Dancake I can understand why you would think that about an RDF but I don't think that it is unreasonable as the RDF has to make money. Our local gunsmith shop certainly does not "punish" people for not buying from him. Just doing the rough mathematics it is about the same rate as a mid range consulting company so is a comparable cost for a service provider..... it is just unfortunate that you can't do it yourelf. If the RDF waives the cost of transport then it sounds like you are £25 better off per gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flutterbyfran Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 I think charging someone £25 for administrative paperwork is criminal considering it takes less than two minutes to complete. It's as if the RFD is punishing you for not purchasing through them, because they couldn't supply what you were after. Sorry - I have to disagree with the timing - I've seen our local RFD write and type! Definitely takes longer than 2 minutes!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Steve - just to complete the picture does your friend run a shop or gunsmiths or is he a gun trader from a home location? Does he have any staff working for him Kindest regards US He actually works from home, but has his business registered there,so will pay more in rates etc. I realise that RFD's with shop's etc, will have higher overheads etc, but my mate states that charging high fees, is against his grain, as there is not much work involved. He does employ one other person, but I don't think he's there everyday. At the end of the day, if people are prepared to pay £25 or more 'each way' then that's fine. I actually paid £25 to have the rifle sent to him. Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Dancake I can understand why you would think that about an RDF but I don't think that it is unreasonable as the RDF has to make money. Our local gunsmith shop certainly does not "punish" people for not buying from him. Just doing the rough mathematics it is about the same rate as a mid range consulting company so is a comparable cost for a service provider..... it is just unfortunate that you can't do it yourelf. If the RDF waives the cost of transport then it sounds like you are £25 better off per gun The receiving RFD doesn't have to pay any transport costs though. If sending a gun you have to pay postage, which I think £25 is a fair price. You shouldn't get shafted at the other end though. If the original cost of £25 involved the same paperwork including the shipping costs, how can the receiving RFD justify the same cost when he doesn't have to ship anything? It is clear as crystal that the receiving RFD's are taking advantage of the system to make a few extra quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 The receiving RFD doesn't have to pay any transport costs though. If sending a gun you have to pay postage, which I think £25 is a fair price. You shouldn't get shafted at the other end though. If the original cost of £25 involved the same paperwork including the shipping costs, how can the receiving RFD justify the same cost when he doesn't have to ship anything? It is clear as crystal that the receiving RFD's are taking advantage of the system to make a few extra quid. This is what my RFD mate is saying. He receives the firearm from another RFD. The cost of sending it is either paid by the RFD or the purchaser of the firearm. He does not believe in charging another £25+ just to do a small amount of paperwork, which is then faxed, not posted, to the police authority. As stated in an earlier post I made, I sold a shotgun to a PW memeber, and, as I thought, charged him £25 for the shipping cost, which I was told is about the going rate. The RFD only charged me £10 for sending it, as I was told that is the cost to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Has anyone considered the fact that the RFD who receives it and writes it onto your certificate then becomes legally liable for its transfer/sale to you? Matters such as certificate checks, proof liability etc all then fall back to him as the RFD who supplied it. Boo hoo. I'm legally liable every time I decide to get in my car and drive, or every time I go to work etc. Nobody gives me £25 for the priveledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david hunter Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 i have a shotgun for sale in gunwatch which someone wanted to buy. price of gun £ 80 local rfd £25 plus £15 carriage plus buyer pays £25 at other end £65 altogether.needless to say it hasent sold yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 You assume responsibility in that scenario for your own personal use/convenience. Why should someone else do the same for you for no reward? In a minute you will be expecting a taxi driver to transport you free of charge following your logic. I don't think that anyone, including me, is expecting the service for free, but it's the amount that some RFD's are charging, that's the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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