harveykeitel22 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 hi guys , i wanted to know what people thought about using soft point bullets on the fox's, thinking of going onto them for my .222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tick Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 hi guys , i wanted to know what people thought about using soft point bullets on the fox's, thinking of going onto them for my .222 If you want to keep the pelt's? it can be less damage than V Max ect, all down to shot placement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 In my experience as long as you stick to the lighter end of the scale in any given calibre they work fine. If you go for the heavier ones they can start to drill through a bit so shot placement becomes an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIVERD Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 For general vermin control in my experience you will be fine. I have used 100gn 243 soft points on foxes from 80 - 250m and the results have been clean kills every time. I use this because i reload so they are cheap and i use this for roe and reds and am comfortable with the rifle and POI at these ranges (we are lucky to have 100 - 300 mtr ranges) We have recently started experimenting with 95 gn ballistic tips, and these appear to have basically the same POI at 100 and 150, ok, within an inch group but quite satisfactory. Not used them ok live targets yet as we need another afternoons playing on paper first but i think this will be our foxing round - saving the 100gn for deer. This works for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Holt Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Hiya, I used grain SP's in my triple for a while till I started reloading, since them it's been V-MAX all the way. With the SP's I found they were going right through the fox even at 200 yrds, still dropped them on the spot though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I have used all the types there is short of casting my own in 222 and you will be fine. I have even used 52grn HP BT match from Speer and they were the best! Oops me and my big mouth! Nice round 222, glad someone is still enjoying an all time classic U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) You put a hole through a foxes rib cage and he is not going to be very happy. I would not go out with SP specially for foxes, however if i was stalking using SP and i got a opportunistic shot at a fox i would take it(if safe of course). Edited December 28, 2011 by Beretta28g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Why oh why do some think the tip tells you how the jacket might behave? At best is a loose guide the jacket and the metulurgy are what makes the difference. You can ge balistic tip big game bullets and soft points intended for smaller vermin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 They will die; may not be as quick/clean/efficient as ballistic tips. They will expand, but they will most probably go straight through; a good backstop is essential. By he above crazy sounding statement i hope your not linking the need of a good backstop and the type of bullet :o Quarry are not backstops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Ok, ill expand the comment. IN MY OPINION the only good backstop is earth. Whether its a solid earth bank or shooting into the ground from a high seat, you must think of what your backstop is. Edited December 28, 2011 by Beretta28g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) They will die; may not be as quick/clean/efficient as ballistic tips. They will expand, but they will most probably go straight through; a good backstop is essential. By he above crazy sounding statement i hope your not linking the need of a good backstop and the type of bullet :o Quarry are not backstops I think he meant a good backstop behind the target which IMO is good advice...as a general rule some rounds do pass straight through the target animal and so the surrounding area must be considered for every shot taken, even though the energy maybe all but gone.... You got there first berreta... Regards, Gixer Edited December 28, 2011 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Ok, ill expand the comment. IN MY OPINION the only good backstop is earth. Whether its a solid earth bank or shooting into the ground from a high seat, you must think of what your backstop is. It does read in your origonal statement like your suggesting one bullet type needs a better backstop than the other. Imagine someone reads that and thinks " so i can use varmint bullets safely without a backstop, thats handy" they would be very,very wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 No, you need a backstop for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 You will need to establish the best type of bullet/s for your specific land/requirements. But lets not be silly about this, hit a fox in the right place with a .222 cf bullet of ANY sort, and it's lights out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tick Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 You will need to establish the best type of bullet/s for your specific land/requirements. But lets not be silly about this, hit a fox in the right place with a .222 cf bullet of ANY sort, and it's lights out! +1 good shot placement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 They are absolutely fine, I use 85grn soft points in my .243 and really the damage they do to foxes can border on extreme. Maybe less destructive than vmax but I'm not sure as what you get has an entry and exit whichever angle you shoot it at. Front on it temds to turn everything fron the front to its **** hole to musha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 OK away from the other calibres, I have shot .222 for a good few years and sp`s are fine, with the proviso that shot placement is crucial. I shot one cub which was a chest shot and needed another shot and another,which was just before I got into reloading big time, which was a little further out than I thought (my fault and not the cartridge) and the shot was low and tore the belly out of her and she needed to be dispatched after I found her 20 minutes later. V-max`s have never needed, apart from a moving fox, another shot and both of the above would have not needed another IMHO if the rounds were V-max(or similar). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 As others have said a centre chest shot with any bullet will drop charlie on the spot. I would have no issues using soft points and do actually use Berger match bullets myself in 20 and 6mm with no issues at all. A good backstop is of course essential for all forms of firearms use, soft earth is the best one. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveykeitel22 Posted December 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 just got some norma 50grain Sp's, so i will have a go with them and see the results, could of had Sako arrow heads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 just got some norma 50grain Sp's...... Good ammo, shot a lot of deer and a few foxes with them, remember to keep the brass for reloading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 just got some norma 50grain Sp's, so i will have a go with them and see the results, could of had Sako arrow heads Where were they from? My Steyr loved the Norma vmax and I can't find them anymore but sp's could be good to get if its not too far to drive. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveykeitel22 Posted January 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Where were they from? My Steyr loved the Norma vmax and I can't find them anymore but sp's could be good to get if its not too far to drive. Ben i got them from philip webster gunsmith, in norfolk, just off the A11 between thetford and norwich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyblanco Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 i got them from philip webster gunsmith, in norfolk, just off the A11 between thetford and norwich Cheers, how much are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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