masterzone2 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Its my understanding the police force have already put themselves to another police investigation authority don't think its the IPCC I would like to say to any Anti reading this that stopping me from owning the sporting equipment I do With in my own home WILL only raise your taxes. And you will be NO safer from it-There are many Instruments to commit murder in your home. Also again Illegal firearms are readly available on the underground for not much money. Firearms ownership needs to be public to be policed otherwise it goes underground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 1 gun or 6, it made no difference. You are spot on there. I mean how many guns or firearms were used in the murders? Was it the whole collection or just the one? Blackpowder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilly Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I think that if they start talking about tighter controls, then they seriously need to look at licencing for golf clubs and cricket/baseball bats, oh and darts and maybe playing cards it is just mental, a lot of normal household objects can be just as deadly as any gun and a lot quieter!!! forgot to mention pool/snooker cues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 No disrespect, but the alleged shooter in Salford of the Indian student gave his name as, "Psycho Stapleton" in court. Hmm, he's not going to do himself any favours with that attitude. I was delighted when I heard he had named himself "Psycho Stapleton". I cant think of a better way he could have guaranteed himself a future full of prison bumrape and menial servitude to the actual bad boy lifers he is about to meet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 You are never going to be able predict when someone will go gaga for the first time, but lessons should be learned when police have already been at an address and a man has threatened to kill himself before. I knew a copper who killed his wife and kids with a hammer, many people are killed with knives and screwdrivers every year, and whole families are wiped out by arsonists. Indian "honour" killings claim hundreds of lives but seem to be largely unreported. If the murderer didn't have a shotgun he could just as easily have walked into the room with a large petrol bomb and killed them all. I know it's cliched, but people kill - not guns. This was a dangerously disturbed man, who could just have easily driven the family off a bridge or poisoned the coffee. Let's not blame a shotgun for his actions any more than we'd have blamed his car or the forecourt that sold him a gallon of petrol. My thoughts are with his family, I hope are offered the support they will need and I hope they take it. I've seen what happens to people who think they can deal with this sort of tragedy unaided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilly Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Zapp, i think all repeat offenders must be latent homosexuals, why else would you want to go back to an institution where gay rape is as normal as showering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reedybopper Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 It could be a "Taxi Driver" thing. Cumbria, now Durham! I was a Taxi driver for 7 years during the 80's. It's a very stressfull job, maybe that has something to do with it? Iam not a shrink or any thing, just looking from outside the box, so to speak. My thoughts go to all the families who have been effected by this tragic event. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvid wings Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 here we go again, the news is reporting about the financial costs to the police regarding issue and background checks of licence holders ,,expect massive rises in our costs,flagging of doctors records will come out of this i am sure ,,which ain't a bad thing., happy new year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenjammer Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 What was it Rowan Atkinsons character said in the Thin Blue Line about firearms ownership? Something to the effect of "do you wish to own a firearm?" if the answer is yes then clearly the person is unfit to own a firearm :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) FWIW, from my comment on the jeremy vine thread: Having worked in mental health care for most of my working life, one of the biggest problems I have encountered is duplicated exactly in the shooting world. When someone has been detained under a Section of the mental Health Act and that Section comes up for renewal, in order for it to be renewed, the staff must provide EVIDENCE that the person still poses a risk to themselves or society at large, or would pose a risk if allowed back into main-stream society without the restrictions of the Section. The Problem with evidence is that, by nature, it must be 'evident', i.e. obvious to anyone, that something is true. Now - apply this to gun licencing. GPs, Psychiatrists and other mental health professionals.often with many years experience, develop a sort of 'sixth sense' that someone is possibly suicidal or dangerous, but without that tricky 'evidence' are stuck. Unless the person has actually made a violent or suicidal attempt, there is no other evidence than the professional 'gut feeling', and that won't hold weight in a court - ask any policeman! If the GP then is asked, "Do you think this person is safe to be granted FAC/SGC?" and they say no, and the applicant appeals, they will be expected to supply 'evidence' for their statement, rightly so, which is why they stuck to their point in the recent enquiry - any diagnosis is only applicable at that point in time and can give only a shaky indication at best as to how an individual will act in the future. This is why the medical profession made a stand against giving direct opinions. Obviously, if an individual has made attempts at self-harm or violence towards others, that IS evidence, but for how long? I know of at least one shooter who has a conviction for assaulting a police officer, but as it was about 30 years ago and he has been a model citizen since, should he be banned? We now come to the most confusing fact. As even specialist medical professionals will not try and become human crystal balls, the onus falls onto the FEO, often an ex or serving Police officer, to try and assess a person's potential mental health for the next 5 years without any more than maybe a couple of days experience with the local mental health team in their training! Of course people will slip through the net, no system is ever perfect, but we have degraded into a culture of blame and hysteria, where we must always find a 'whipping boy' to take the rap, rather than accept that in even the best systems, tragedies will occur (But of course, none of that sells papers, does it?)Until we can educate the public, without the "All gun owners are animal murdering freaks" bias from the press, nothing will change. All shooters can do is take every opportunity to respond and inform others in an accurate calm way, showing that the control we have over our emotions and behaviour is WHY we are considered suitable to be granted licences in the first place. Edited January 3, 2012 by Bloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Truly another tragic waste of life. However its started again... A councillor on the ITV news today saying how he couldn't believe small arms can be kept in a residential area. I really hope this isn't the start of section one shotguns or >5 year licenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Why have the results of the Hamilton report been locked away for 100 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Truly another tragic waste of life. However its started again... A councillor on the ITV news today saying how he couldn't believe small arms can be kept in a residential area. I really hope this isn't the start of section one shotguns or >5 year licenses. I think you mean < 5 year licences there was an interview with the "Parish council chair" on Radio 4 http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9670000/9670437.stm again the point remains 1 gun 6 guns or 600 it doesn't matter and i dont want to point the obvious flaw if he held an SGC that there is no numerical limit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Seems to be at least 1 journalist with his head screwed on My link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenjammer Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Seems to be at least 1 journalist with his head screwed on My link good link and a reasoned voice. There was an acknowledgement in the govt response to the firearms review to the effect that very few legally held guns were used in crimes and that illegally held guns were the the problem in criminality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy1 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Well done,David. :good: Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Dear All, Here is a list of the main media activity we have undertaken today and a couple planned for tomorrow with the name of the BASC staff member who gave the interview. BBC Radio Newcastle - Mike Eveleigh BBC Radio York - Phil Pugh BBC Radio Leicester - Steve Bloomfield (phone-in) ITV Tyne Tees - Phil Pugh - pre-recorded interview BBC Radio Four's World at One - Simon Clarke – live -http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018wy4n#synopsis - Simon’s interview is 14 minutes in. BBC Radio Cymru - Meurig Rees Capital Radio North East - Simon Clarke BBC Coventry and Warwickshire - Steve Bloomfield Metro Radio - Simon Clarke Sun FM (Sunderland) Simon Clarke BBC Radio Newcastle - Mike Eveleigh BBC Radio Five Live – Mike Eveleigh – 4.10pm S4C – Meurig Rees 04/01/12 BBC Three Counties Radio - Mike Eveleigh BBC Radio Lancashire - Phil Pugh BASC’s statement was sent to the Press Association newswire and this has been used by media outlets including the BBC, the Daily Mail and the Huffington Post. We have briefed Sky News and spoken to the shooting press. Best wishes David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenjammer Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 thanks David and to anybody not in the BASC - JOIN!!!! They articulate more effectively than we individuals can at times like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) David That's a good effort with the local radio...but (in my opinion) it's the BBC national TV news who need sorting out. edit to add: as a minimum we should make sure that they understand what section 1 refers to. Earlier one of their reporters said that it referred to "more restricted weapons such as pump action shotguns or possibly a rifle". Obviously if they are deliberatley sensationalising it, there isn't much you can do - but at least make sure they aren't speaking out of ingorance. Edited January 3, 2012 by HW682 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 As per my post above, we were on Radio 4 and as the press association are now using our statement it goes to all national media - who then either use our statements themselves or come to us for an interview. Our statement for example has been on the BBC web site since before lunchtime, and the Daily Mail and Sky have since been in contact, as have several other main local media outlets David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntsman Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Fao. David and everyone at BASC from all gun owners/shooters alike A Big thankyou to all who have participated in standing up to the media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest beechris Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) feel sorry for the family and for this time of year for them will always be a black day. Edited January 4, 2012 by beechris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linny Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Well i wont be getting my SGC back because of this ****hole, i had mine revoked due to a allegation which is false, what chance have i got of getting mine back ! feel sorry for the family and for this time of year for them will always be a black day. if it was a false allegation you will get it back if proved false? but at least the police acted false or not.thoughts with family and friends R I P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejay Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Daz, The thing is tighter legislation would not prevent this kind of tragedy i'm afraid my friend. Would you care if further legislation resulted in a complete ban on private firearm ownership. I think if any further legislation prevented you from pursuing your hobby, which i'm sure you enjoy then you would care Daz. We now have some of the most stringent firearms laws in the world since the events of Hungerford,Dunblane and Cumbria. Provided these laws are followed correctly by the licensing authorities then the terrible loss of life as seen at Horden Co Durham today and indeed the past tragedies we have witnessed can be avoided. However let us not jump to conclusions at this early stage and start to look for simply "someone to blame". At the moment my thoughts are with the victims and their families and friends ATB, Pat I totally agree with you and stevielee24 and the fact that tighter gun laws will not stop this kind of thing happening due to the guns on the black market and such , but if tighter laws could of prevented this incedent from happening I am all for them . Regards Daz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin128 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 We don't need tighter laws...we just need the Police to apply them consistently. BASC do a great job...which is more than can be said for the NRA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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