bignoel Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 i would like to hear your opinion on this one . a chap down my way some time ago had a argument with his girlfriend .he beat her then tied her to a chair held her for 3 days while he burnd her with his fags .he received 18mths jail and lost his firearms .10 years on he reaplied for his firearms and received them back 12 mths later he was caught for stalking his new girlfriend .but he sent a letter telling her if she thought the police could stop him seeing her he would shoot them aswell .no charges were brought forward but he lost his firearms again 18mths later he now has his firearms back again surely this isnt right is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Marty Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Strange set up. Man over here lost his Guns cause he was using rabbits to give dogs a kill to make them race, tried 3 years later to get them back and was told not a chance and more or less not to bother trying again. Not saying what he did was ok but at least it wasn't violence against another person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingnewport Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Something dont sound right to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 As the annoying bald man says....... It's a postcode lottery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 In the same mob as Hamilton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lxtav Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Sounds like a recipe for disaster and another bunch of Firearms holder shoots.... headlines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntsman Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I dont think you have all the accurate information,I would assume that the stringent firearm controls that are in place,this type of person would be classed as unsuitable. I am sure a quick call to the firearms dept, with the persons details would address the situation I certainly wouldn't like to know that the person has access to firearms and has the mental capacity to stub cigarette stubs out,on a girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I was lead to believe that if you commited an offence which "could" give you a sentence of upto 5 yrs it was an automatic life time firearms ban with the offences you have mentioned they all carry a sentence like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I find it a little bit hard to believe. I know the police constantly mess up (Thomas Hamilton, Michael Ryan, Derrick Bird and Michael Atherton spring to mind), I don't know if I should believe this or not. If what you say is true then I think you should be speaking to your firearms department and doing your best to ensure that he loses his certificates as it sounds like he's a dangerous person. But I'm not sure if I believe it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Write to ur local mp as a responsible gun owner this guy should not be armed !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Did you here this story in a pub Noel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 i would like to hear your opinion on this one . a chap down my way some time ago had a argument with his girlfriend .he beat her then tied her to a chair held her for 3 days while he burnd her with his fags .he received 18mths jail and lost his firearms .10 years on he reaplied for his firearms and received them back 12 mths later he was caught for stalking his new girlfriend .but he sent a letter telling her if she thought the police could stop him seeing her he would shoot them aswell .no charges were brought forward but he lost his firearms again 18mths later he now has his firearms back again surely this isnt right is it References? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpentermark Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 I'd MOVE HOUSE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 I spoke to my FLO manager today and he said there is NO way he would have been given his ticket back, He thinks someone has got it wrong where did this info come from is it factual or a mate told my mate ect ect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tod Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 i would like to hear your opinion on this one . a chap down my way some time ago had a argument with his girlfriend .he beat her then tied her to a chair held her for 3 days while he burnd her with his fags .he received 18mths jail and lost his firearms .10 years on he reaplied for his firearms and received them back 12 mths later he was caught for stalking his new girlfriend .but he sent a letter telling her if she thought the police could stop him seeing her he would shoot them aswell .no charges were brought forward but he lost his firearms again 18mths later he now has his firearms back again surely this isnt right is it dont believe it fella, not for a minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 dont believe it fella, not for a minute Agreed - references on this please. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstone Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Given that recent perpretrators of violence with a firearm also had a police history, I wouldn't say it's that unbelievable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 (edited) I was lead to believe that if you commited an offence which "could" give you a sentence of upto 5 yrs it was an automatic life time firearms ban with the offences you have mentioned they all carry a sentence like that. Unless something has changed you must be sentenced to 3 years or more for a life ban, not could be! Edited April 8, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy1403 Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 somthing not right with this story.any FLO looking at this application should be thinking I wouldn`t trust this guy with a spud gun after the first revoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) I was lead to believe that if you commited an offence which "could" give you a sentence of upto 5 yrs it was an automatic life time firearms ban with the offences you have mentioned they all carry a sentence like that. Unless something has changed you must be sentenced to 3 years or more for a life ban, not could be! I think you're right Dekers. I got done for posession of explosives when I was 18 - actually 19 by the time it had gone through court. I didn't get a huge sentence but in the wrong circumstances I'd say you'd get well over 3 or even 5 years for it. It's time sentenced that counts not maximum allowable for the offence in question. Edited April 9, 2012 by njc110381 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixhills 69 Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Unless something has changed you must be sentenced to 3 years or more for a life ban, not could be! Yes Dekers your correct we are not all perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 You still have a right to have your prohibition overturned by appeal to the Crown court if you ae a prohibited person. Section 21 is a very blunt instrument. It is there to prevent unsuitable people gaining access to firearms but the metre fac that you have ben sentenced to be locked up means that you are unsuitsable. A person who gets three years for kicking the daylights out of someone in a drunken fight after haing a string of similar convictions is prohibited for life from posessing firears and so is someone who gets the same sentence for defrauding the taxman. They two offences are not remotely similar and, I would suggest, do not compre as to whether a person is fit to be entrusted with a firearm or not. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 It may well be a blunt instrument but the sentence has at least some indication of the severity of the offence as considered via evidence heard by a judge (and I believe the clerks sat below his bench) if a sentence was likely to exeed 6 months I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 seems all a bit odd to me, and certainly like a pub story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted April 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Did you here this story in a pub Noel? no i never i know the guy from old who now has x 2 22lrs a shottie and a 243 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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