millrace Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 ok so someone explain this to me i know you have to store the bolt seperately but really why,,lets face it for most of us your rifle is stored in a locked bolt fixed cabinate which also contains shotguns,,,heres my point if the rifle is stolen so are the shotties and lets face it there aint many banks held up with a sawn off rifle...... so whats the point and if they have brought enough tools to get the cabinate open or off a wall they will open any other storage and get the bolt.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 They have to mess around to find the bolt tho! I see where you coming from tho, it's the same as the moderator threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 it`s all about causing as much inconvenience as possible, burglars like to be in and out rather than sticking around and getting caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted April 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) the way i see it most crooks will know if they find a rifle,,theres another safe to be found containing the bolt and in some cases poss some other items of value,,.....so is this really a good thing nowadays? just cause they are crooks they usually aint stupid.....in and out or wait till ur back and demand to get the other safe that HAS to be there open..... Edited April 13, 2012 by millrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 You don't have to store the bolt separately, but some do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I don't think 'most' crooks would know the first thing about rifles, but if they did or they came specifically for your firearms why would you make it easier for them by having the bolt with the rile? They would have to take a massive risk in taking hostages, and for what? There's no money in knock-off rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I have never stored my rifle bolts seperately from my rifles..my FEO is quite happy with this.Who has told you that 'you have to'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 There is absolutely no requirement to store the bolts separately. Interestingly, you don't need to store the ammunition separately either, though I think all the police forces insist on it (and sensibly). If you don't believe me, read the HO guidelines. It tends to be true that criminals don't want rifles, even the HO guidelines say this, though for some reason the police see fit to require tighter storage conditions for section 1, I've never understood why. I do however agree that anybody breaking into a cabinet is unlikely to be unable to get in a bit further to an ammo/bolt safe so it might all seem slightly pointless, though it could delay them slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 There is no legal requirement to store the bolt seperately. I stopped doing it a long time ago after turning up at a shoot with a rifle with no bolt in it. If it was a legal requirement a lot of semi-autos wouldn't get sold. My old Krico was a pig to get back together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted April 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 well now my feo wanted to see the second safe where the bolt would be stored........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 well now my feo wanted to see the second safe where the bolt would be stored........ might be different in NI then??? :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 well now my feo wanted to see the second safe where the bolt would be stored........ Humour him. Tell him they're going in the ammo safe. Its easier than arguing the toss and antagonising the people who set your conditions and grant your variations. It shouldn't have to be that way but it is. At least until they've known you for a few years. You can take the bolts out if you like but you'll soon get fed up with it. I remove mine if I'm away from the house overnight or if I have to leave a gun in a vehicle. What more do they want, a seperate safe for the stock and one for the magazine? Perhaps they'd like us to take scopes off for storage as well. Actually I'll stop there. Don't want to give them ideas. might be different in NI then??? :look: Very good point. Didn't spot that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 might be different in NI then??? :look: Yep,it states on my FAC that, "Where a bolt action rifle is held on certificate,the bolt must be removed and store separately in an approved gun cabinet/safe." Yet,there's no conditions about keeping my shotgun and cartridges in the same cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapid rich Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Yep,it states on my FAC that, "Where a bolt action rifle is held on certificate,the bolt must be removed and store separately in an approved gun cabinet/safe." Yet,there's no conditions about keeping my shotgun and cartridges in the same cabinet. Same here must be different here than rest of the U.K Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Although theres nothing written in ink saying so,i remove the bolts as a token gesture and store them in the ammo cabinet...which is a bit farcical considering theres a semiauto and underlever in there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Another reason perhaps for taking the bolt out is that you can then de-cock it (in theory) to save undue pressure on the firing spring. I say 'in theory' because whereas I can do that for my CZ rimfires and my Anschutz rimfire target rifle (essential for that one at least), I can't seem to de-cock my CZ .223 bolt. Any suggestions as to why this should be so or how to de-cock it? Is it just that it is very stiff and my hands are not strong enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aister Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 i have never stored my rifle bolts separate, all my guns are locked up with bolts in and the ammo is on an open shelve in the top of the cabinet, never had any bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Only ever take bolts out when cleaning and then they go back in. Like people have said we all store shotguns 'ready to go' Can you imagine stripping an underlever each time to store. ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Another reason perhaps for taking the bolt out is that you can then de-cock it (in theory) to save undue pressure on the firing spring. I say 'in theory' because whereas I can do that for my CZ rimfires and my Anschutz rimfire target rifle (essential for that one at least), I can't seem to de-cock my CZ .223 bolt. Any suggestions as to why this should be so or how to de-cock it? Is it just that it is very stiff and my hands are not strong enough? I 'de-cock' my rifles by squeezing the trigger as I close the bolt( after ensuring the breech is empty of course).Or you can simply press the trigger(dry fire it)of course;again ensuring the breech is empty first.In both instances,the bolts' stay in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 I keep RF bolts in but take CF bolts out because I can fit more guns in the cabinet that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 I 'de-cock' my rifles by squeezing the trigger as I close the bolt( after ensuring the breech is empty of course).Or you can simply press the trigger(dry fire it)of course;again ensuring the breech is empty first.In both instances,the bolts' stay in. That's a good idea - should have thought of it. Thanks. Think I will put a used case in, however, before squeezing the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 If you choose the first method I mentioned there is no 'snap' as you squeeze the trigger,the spring is slowly relaxed.So long as you squeeze the trigger and keep it squeezed while you close the bolt,there is no tension involved at all.If you close the bolt and then squeeze the trigger,then that's a dry fire,either method does your rifle no harm at all.You can put a spent case in if you wish,but there's no need really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonseed Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 All the FEOs I've ever spoken to--in 30 odd years--couldn't care less whether the bolt was in or out. Personally I store all my rifles with bolts in as the odds of a rifle appealing to a thief looking for weapons to arm criminal activity is tiny--as compared to the annoyance of choosing the wrong bolt for any particular rifle you take out. Thieves want shotguns and expensive air rifles--stuff that is easy to sell and for which it's relatively easy to obtain ammunition. Section 1 rifles have no attraction or use for an average crim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 It's a condition on your FAC in Northern Ireland. What always made me laugh at the situation was that I had two rifles in the cabinet, a bolt action where the bolt had to be stored separately and a semi auto which didn't. And unless you can show the FEO where the bolt safe is, FEB won't issue your certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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