fenboy Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) Another nail in the coffin for un-licenced airgun ownership. there are just too many idiots out there. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162557/Victim-shocking-air-gun-attack-This-year-old-boy-recovering-hospital-shot-face-way-home-school.html Edited June 21, 2012 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 This is a direct link, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9346198/Four-year-old-shot-in-face-with-airgun.html. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian28 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 both links no airgun story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 strange my link goes straight to the story , but cranfields does not work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 mindless idiot, doubt they will all go on ticket same as we have in n ireland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I hope the poor lad recovers PS The first link woks fine for me, but not the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 get them on ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste 2712 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 get them on ticket. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 +1 what they said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I agree its time to get them on ticket, but doubt that will have any effect on those wanting to misuse them ,plus there is going to be millions out there ,look how easy it is for criminals to still get their hands on pistols and there were no where near as many in circulation as there is airguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 get them on ticket. Sadly it seems laws only apply to decent folks in this country,incidents with knives,crossbows,samurai swords are also common.Given the amount of obviously unlicensed handgun crime and attacks by supposedly banned dog breeds I don't think airgun licensing would be the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 First link works for me. Can't see the need for low power to be on ticket. Just need to through the book at the idiot if it is proved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I agree its time to get them on ticket, but doubt that will have any effect on those wanting to misuse them ,plus there is going to be millions out there ,look how easy it is for criminals to still get their hands on pistols and there were no where near as many in circulation as there is airguns. yes but if you can't buy ammo or parts or fill a pcp then it will stop some. Sadly it seems laws only apply to decent folks in this country,incidents with knives,crossbows,samurai swords are also common.Given the amount of obviously unlicensed handgun crime and attacks by supposedly banned dog breeds I don't think airgun licensing would be the answer. get dogs on ticket. and cats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 yes but if you can't buy ammo or parts or fill a pcp then it will stop some. get dogs on ticket. and cats. I doubt pellets will be in short supply as it seems there is no problem getting hold of 9mm bullets etc and pellets come in tins of 500 !. At the end of the day they do need to go on ticket , and I also think you should need good reason to own , club shooting , pest control permissions etc. I cant see why wanting to put a hole in a bean tin on the balcony of your inner city flat would be good reason Its a sad state of affairs as no doubt many shooters have entered shooting by having a airgun brought them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 First link works for me. Can't see the need for low power to be on ticket. Just need to through the book at the idiot if it is proved. Totally agree! It isn't a big matter to me personally as I already have FAC but I have many friends sensibly & usefully(vermin control)using sub 12ft/lb to whom it would be a major inconvenience. As an observation it is useless to hinder the majority with laws that they will follow but the mindless few will ignore. P.S. People have been attacked with house bricks:should they come under a licensing system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted June 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 First link works for me. Can't see the need for low power to be on ticket. Just need to through the book at the idiot if it is proved. That is the main problem people think airguns = low power = not dangerous , there was a young lad killed 3 or 4 years ago with a air pistol and they should do 6ft lb max half that of a rifle running at full non FAC power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 if sub 12 ft lb air rifles were licenced then its a major disaster for the future of shooting in the UK. The answer is education and correct enforcement of the rules already in existance THIS INCLUDES SENTENCING not letting 95% + off with a minor wrist slap. I started with an airgun as did most of us and yeah many misused them, i am no exeption to that. My own kids are educated in guns almost from birth and learn with very supervised use of air power initially. I feel the only answer is to extend our existing training programs further and become proactive into schools and youth groups. Some police areas go into schools with the don't touch message which i feel makes the problem of misuse and misunderstanding far greater potentialy. making something myserious and out of bounds is very bad as far as youngsters are conserned, any who don't believe this have just forgotten what its like to be a kid. I might support a slightly lower upper limit and a sepparate non FAC licence for say 10-15 ft lb which would not inconvieniance the club or genuine sporting user much and tidy up all this accidental possesion of firearm instances. But make FAC a requirement and you destroy the industry and exports and the sport I am genuinely upset when i hear of these instances were very simple solutions exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J.P. Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 if sub 12 ft lb air rifles were licenced then its a major disaster for the future of shooting in the UK. The answer is education and correct enforcement of the rules already in existance THIS INCLUDES SENTENCING not letting 95% + off with a minor wrist slap. I couldn't agree more. The last thing that shooting sports within the UK need is further legislation being passed that hampers access to new participants. The way to deal with situations like these is to pass adequate punishments onto the perpetrators of violence - not to punish by default everyone in society through legislating against "dangerous" objects. After all, it's only when a tool is held by someone intent on harming another that it becomes a weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 The problem is that the general public are not shooters and when they see something like this all they can see is a gun that has shot somebody. If I did not shoot I would probably think that guns should be banned if I had seen the article. The answer is effective punishment using law we already have which should include some serious time at HMP. But seeing as Westminster has an agenda to de-arm all citizens then I think that licence free airgun shooting is recieving it's final meal on death row. God i'm lucky I was a child 20 odd years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 if sub 12 ft lb air rifles were licenced then its a major disaster for the future of shooting in the UK. The answer is education and correct enforcement of the rules already in existance THIS INCLUDES SENTENCING not letting 95% + off with a minor wrist slap. I started with an airgun as did most of us and yeah many misused them, i am no exeption to that. My own kids are educated in guns almost from birth and learn with very supervised use of air power initially. I feel the only answer is to extend our existing training programs further and become proactive into schools and youth groups. Some police areas go into schools with the don't touch message which i feel makes the problem of misuse and misunderstanding far greater potentialy. making something myserious and out of bounds is very bad as far as youngsters are conserned, any who don't believe this have just forgotten what its like to be a kid. I might support a slightly lower upper limit and a sepparate non FAC licence for say 10-15 ft lb which would not inconvieniance the club or genuine sporting user much and tidy up all this accidental possesion of firearm instances. But make FAC a requirement and you destroy the industry and exports and the sport I am genuinely upset when i hear of these instances were very simple solutions exist Agree with most of that. A lot of people on here grew up with parents or friends who shot. They forget that if you don't have that (and an awful lot of people don't), shooting can seem an impenetrable closed shop which is impossible to break into. Air guns can give you that start on the first rung of the ladder. None of my family were into shooting, so I got into it through air guns - as did most of our mates. Gats and similar and later springer rifles (PCPs weren't invented!) We all messed around with them, nothing outrageous but stuff that does make my toes curl a little now when I think back to it Later I joined cadets and started competitive shooting where I got properly mentored in safety. The thing is, airguns sparked a life long love of shooting for me and my mates. If we'd had to get a licence and all the cost and hassle that goes with it, we probably wouldn't have bothered. The less people who shoot, the less voice we have, the easier it is for us to be marginalised and legislated out of existence as an irrelevant minority that won't be missed. Airguns are the life blood that feed the roots of all branches of the shooting sports, without LOTS of youngsters getting an early taste of shooting through the only accessible type of shooting for most people, shooting will wither and die within a generation or so :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 What is BASC\NRA\CA etc's view on this as I never seem to see any positive press for shooting to counteract all the idiots who are killing it with a misplaced body shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'd love to see a dedicated airgun ticket introduced with SGC-esq conditions, but as soon as such plans are anounced, thousands of air guns will be bought up, stock piled and sold off to the criminal underclass later. Its a real shame that the idiots are ruining it for all the decent air gunners out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'd love to see a dedicated airgun ticket introduced with SGC-esq conditions, but as soon as such plans are anounced, thousands of air guns will be bought up, stock piled and sold off to the criminal underclass later. Its a real shame that the idiots are ruining it for all the decent air gunners out there. I don't think guns would get stocked for resale, most of the stupidity with air guns is low level moronic behaviour which ends up with a lot of fall out, the average moron wouldn't bother to aquire and air rifle just to **** around and shoot someone's cat/child/window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 yes but if you can't buy ammo or parts or fill a pcp then it will stop some. get dogs on ticket. and cats. and children... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 I don't think guns would get stocked for resale, most of the stupidity with air guns is low level moronic behaviour which ends up with a lot of fall out, the average moron wouldn't bother to aquire and air rifle just to **** around and shoot someone's cat/child/window. You have a point, but when a gun goes onto a liecense system, it becomes percieved as alot more dangerous than before, and indeed maybe more than it actually is. They will fall into the same catagory as 'real' firearms, most will assume they are totally banned. Then they become feared by the public at large and become desireable amoung the criminal underclass because they will probably prove cheaper than other illegal arms due to thier recent mass and easy avialability but with similar 'street cred' as a Makarov semi auto that the Met tell us they are always recovering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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