solz Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 hey, bit of a noobie question but id rather have some good advice and looking silly than not have any advice at all. hopefully my SGC will arrive before the midlands game fair, so if it does i would be going to look for a gun at the fair, but have a few questions about buying at a show. firstly will they accept card payments at the show? i have herd there are cash machines on site but don't fancy walking around with £500 ish in my pocket (that's my budget for a gun) also is it advisable buying from stands? or is it best to find stands that are from close to where i live and then visit the shop afterwards( possible to get a bit more advice from their shop rather than their stand?) if you buy a gun form a stand can you take it home with you that day? or do they send it to ur local RFD? finally i have never brought i gun before so what is the process of buying guns (this is the really silly question) obv have to have my SGC with me, am i right in thinking i will get a receipt for the gun? and am i able to claim the VAT back? i am VAT registered once again sorry if it seems sill asking all this but like i said i would like to get it right thx solz ps this is all based on my SGC arriving, and the show being on lol, if not then i will still go for a look around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Never been to a show, first thing I would do is go around your local gun shops to see which gun/s you are interested in and if you can try them out.Check out their prices and also look on the like of gun trader for prices again. One reason I choose to buy loacally is they are on the door step if you need help, theres no problem in shipping the gun back to your local shop. If you buy from a show and they are from far a field and you have problems think about how you are going to get it back to them. Supporting your local also keeps the in businees (assuming they are good gun shops) and enables you to continue getting supplies. You build up a good relationship with them and expert free help and advice when needed. Some times at shows there are probally some good offers / deals that are too good to miss, that one has to take advantage of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushjob Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Yes they will accept card payments I've bought guns from stands and been pleased with my purchases but as always caveat emptor If you have your certificate with you and an open slot if it's a Section 1, then yes you can take it home on the day. You will get a receipt if you buy from a company. VAT wise, provided they are registered and you can justify it with HMRC then the VAT on the gun is no different than any other purchase - provided it's for business use of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Hope they accept card payments I'm looking for a SXS 20g will be picking round the stands at the midland next sat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Hope they accept card payments I'm looking for a SXS 20g will be picking round the stands at the midland next sat... Hope I beat you to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 On my last VAT inspection they didn`t` think I could claim the VAT back on my pickup, telling me they would check it out and let me know. Had to eat humble pie and rang me to say it was OK. I wouldn`t` attempt to claim it back on a gun unless it was in connection with my occupation. Traders do take cards but I agree with the poster who said better to buy local in case of problems. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Most of the stands will be the same as their shop with the same warranty but if it breaks you need to get it back to the shop. I've bought a couple of guns at shows as I got a good or better deal than locally. Take a gun slip to bring it off the stand or negotiate one into to price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 what you could do is write up a letter to say if gun is faulty that they will cover rfd and delivery costs of transporting back to them for repair, get them to sign it preferebly 2 people from same shop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Hope I beat you to it Well if you see me with my fox terrier and a pigeon watch bag feel free to stop me... Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 They take credit cards i have bought a few from there over the years using the company card and there may be another addition next weekend you can virtually buy anything from there Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garjo Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Got burnt once from buying from game fair - personally would buy direct from a gun shop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcw65 Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 ive bought 2 from the midland and had no problems,they even gave me back what i paid for 1 when traded it back in the following year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 They take credit cards i have bought a few from there over the years using the company card and there may be another addition next weekend you can virtually buy anything from there Mark You going to the midland mark?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 [will get a receipt for the gun? and am i able to claim the VAT back? i am VAT registered If your business buys the gun and it can be legitimately prooved that the gun is used within the business then yes you could claim the VAT back. For this you would need to be a professional pest controller or similar whose main income comes from the business. Even if the above is legit if the invoice is made out to you as opposed to the VAT registered concern then no you cant claim it back. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 firstly will they accept card payments at the show? i have herd there are cash machines on site but don't fancy walking around with £500 ish in my pocket (that's my budget for a gun) why not have the cash in your pocket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 If it is a second hand gun you can reclaim the VAT, providing all other requirements are met such as legitimate business use etc. ONLY on the margin between the suppliers buying in cost and the selling price. The invoice must show both figures and state it is issued under a margins scheme. So a 500 quid gun, possibly a 50 to 100 quid margin divide by 1.2 and claim back between 10 and 20 quid. I really wouldnt bother tempting HMRC to look at things for the sake of a tenner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 howdy solz have bought from fairs am going to midland myself to check out 28g models,you can take them home with you,they will take your bank card as well,down side if you buy new and there,s any problems, shipping to them would be a ball ache,if its used it will only have warranty for 3 months i think so thats ok,what i,m gonna do is check out what feels right an then buy it from my local gunshop.regards john. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Why not claim the whole cost of the gun as a business expense ? I did it with a Rapid 2 air rifle, to control ferals that kept flying into my warehouse and setting the alarms off at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 I've bought a couple from gamefairs,but the same priciples apply as they do when buying from your local dealer,the only difference being that if you have to return it for any reason the cost of carriage is met by the dealer who sold you it.Avalon do this I believe. If it hasn't already been said;don't forget to take a slip,or ask the dealer to throw one in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Buying from fairs/trade shows etc has the same risks as anywhere, but with the added component of "bargain madness" - you think you have seen a bargain in amongst the mass of stands and the chance of an unwise impulse buy rises higher than when you visit shops individually. Added to that is the potential distance of the dealer after the show is over. It is also easier to miss defects on a gun, when you are surrounded and squashed in a half dark marquee/hall with a thousand other people after the same bargains. I nearly bought a lovely Beretta, but at the last minute of taking it up to the till to pay for it (where the lighting was better), I saw a whacking great dent and scratch, halfway down the rib! Take some time before you go, have a loose idea of what you want, try a few mates guns for fit if you can. Look at the shop prices on the Internet and in a few of the mags, and write down a list of guns and approx second- hand values to take with you so you can refer to it if you need to. REALLY inspect the gun well, a pocket torch is your friend there, preferably have a mate with you for a second look. Get any warranty written on the receipt if you can. Finally, if you can ( and you will be stronger than most of us IF you can! ) try and tell yourself you are only going for a fun day out and reduce the pressure to make your only aim to walk away with a "real bargain" - I really hope you get a gun, just make sure it IS the one you want. Happy hunting, let us know how you get on......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solz Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 well thanks for all the advice so far, i will take it all into account one more silly question, if i end up do buying a guy what is the process, am i right in believing they right it on ur license and give you a form to send off in the post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duck duster Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 If it is a second hand gun you can reclaim the VAT, providing all other requirements are met such as legitimate business use etc. ONLY on the margin between the suppliers buying in cost and the selling price. The invoice must show both figures and state it is issued under a margins scheme. So a 500 quid gun, possibly a 50 to 100 quid margin divide by 1.2 and claim back between 10 and 20 quid. I really wouldnt bother tempting HMRC to look at things for the sake of a tenner. there is only VAT on seconhand guns if the original owner claimed the VAT back when they bought it new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 (edited) well thanks for all the advice so far, i will take it all into account one more silly question, if i end up do buying a guy what is the process, am i right in believing they right it on ur license and give you a form to send off in the post? Yes, they will write it on your licence (make sure you politely check the serial number on the gun against the licence as well) and give you a purchase report sheet, which must be given to the police within 7 days, some forces allow you to do this on-line, I personally copy/scan the sheet before I send it and make sure it is registered post. Edited September 9, 2012 by Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 there is only VAT on seconhand guns if the original owner claimed the VAT back when they bought it new I am afraid that is not quite the case. There is VAT payable on the difference between buying and selling prices. Whether or not the original purchaser claimed back the VAT has nothing to do with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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