ROY Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19792066 Good Idea or bad?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) With some when desperation hits what they can`t get with vouchers they`ll steal for. Edited for Vermicinerator. Edited October 2, 2012 by Muggins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Problem is that half of the dum ****s will flog their vouchers for cash loosing 95% of their face value and spend the proceeds on their vices before getting all angry that they've got no no money and start robbing from decent folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I am 100% behind the idea. A card would be simple but would have to have a photo and name on so that it couldn't be easily abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Would they get extra vouchers for Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Muggins and ack ack, so all benefit claimants are prospective crooks and thieves? Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I am 100% behind the idea. A card would be simple but would have to have a photo and name on so that it couldn't be easily abused. Of course it can still be easily abused. The scrunters will simple collect their shopping on vouchers and sell their goods. Muggins and ack ack, so all benefit claimants are prospective crooks and thieves? Ian. Not at all, but some are junked up to their eyeballs and rip the **** out of it and ruin the system for genuine claimants. I despise them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 no, i could be unemployed one day and i like a beer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinggun Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) Its a tough one as yes some people on benefits are taking the mick and could go to work rather than blow the money on booze but there are many others who are genuine and this is degrading for them treating them like untrustworthy children, the people assessing claimants are terrible, my wife who is desperate to work but since having multiple massive blood clots in her heart and lungs leaving her with a lifelong irreparable heart condition and very scarred lungs which stop her walking very far and at a snails pace had her appointment to be assessed and was told as she had put her make up on she was well enough to go to work even though i am currently helping her shower and dress and walk to the toilet and we have been told this is not likely to significantly change at the moment although i hope it will. we fought hard and eventually got it back for now but these so called doctors assessing people are the main root of the problem and if this was sorted out i think it would help a lot to erradicate the undeserving claimants, I am starting to think its the same system that many believe the driving test centres have, pass x amount and fail x amount no matter what the circumstances. Edited October 2, 2012 by smokinggun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) maybe i should pay my taxes in free range eggs Edited October 2, 2012 by storme37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I am 100% behind the idea. A card would be simple but would have to have a photo and name on so that it couldn't be easily abused. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny v Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Its a tough one as yes some people on benefits are taking the mick and could go to work rather than blow the money on booze but there are many others who are genuine and this is degrading for them treating them like untrustworthy children, the people assessing claimants are terrible, my wife who is desperate to work but since having multiple massive blood clots in her heart and lungs leaving her with a lifelong irreparable heart condition and very scarred lungs which stop her walking very far and at a snails pace had her appointment to be assessed and was told as she had put her make up on she was well enough to go to work even though i am currently helping her shower and dress and walk to the toilet and we have been told this is not likely to significantly change at the moment although i hope it will. we fought hard and eventually got it back for now but these so called doctors assessing people are the main root of the problem and if this was sorted out i think it would help a lot to erradicate the undeserving claimants, I am starting to think its the same system that many believe the driving test centres have, pass x amount and fail x amount no matter what the circumstances. I am truly sorry to read about your wife and her fight to return to work. I despise the low life scum bags who choose to lounge about all day drinking white lightening or lambrini and have never had a job in their lives. Some have never even thought about working and see it as a taboo subject which gets in the way of their busy day of doing **** all !! These people are a burden to society... They put nothing in but take out more than an entire community of decent hard working people leaving little for those that truly need and deserve it. I could go on for many pages ......... V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamekeeper1960 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 no, i could be unemployed one day and i like a beer Thats a very good point none of us know what the future holds ,and would you say that someone who has worked for many years and then find themselfs unemployed should be made to stop smoking drinking because they have to sign on ! what sort of nanny state are we living in ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Maybe the benefits should be JUST ENOUGH to live on so there is no spare money for beer, cigs and holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) Some people would just swap them for cash somehow, so it needs to be done properly, such as with a card. Also, using a card would be less "dehumanising" to the person using it than food vouchers, something which has been brought up in the comments on the article. I support it, but it needs to be done properly. It would be a great way to make sure benefits are only spent on essentials. Funnily enough, we were talking about this idea for a little bit in a geography lesson at college yesterday. Edited October 3, 2012 by Reece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 The problem with benefits is that it is a bandwagon. Through redundancy a good friend of mine is working now as a minicab driver in London. Many of his 'collegues' are living on full benefits despite working 60+ hours a week and earning £600 odd and a lot of this money is being sent abroad. They are not even EU nationals. Nobody checks up on them, thats the problem.The impression I get is that most of them must have come here already knowing exactly how to work the system.Thats where they should be investigating, but they seem frightened to. Cut out the totally bogus claimants, the systematic abuse, not the genuinely ill who might or might not be able to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Anyone I know who has found themselves in the unfortunate position of having to avail themselves of the benefits system has been left utterly bewildered at how it can often seem positively designed to pander to the sponging scumbag element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 As someone who is disabled and been through the stupid tests ill tell you if they pass they ARE disabled. In these tests they will even just make stuff up to fail you, thats their job, ive failed because i was clean shaven and took my own jacket off, To get the benefits back you have to go through what is practically a court appearance with a representative of the benefits agency a lawyer and a doctor and you have to put a case to them and of course being prodded and poked. The last time I had my benefits stopped by The private american company ATOS before i even sat down at the "court" they said dont even bother sitting down we will make this quick, there is no medical, legal or moral reason why it should be taken from you and apoligised to me. The disabled are just being used as scape goats, the real problem with the benefits system is the fact someone perfectly healthy can just say im not working then get everything paid for through housing/council tax/income support/child support benefits etc with no checking up on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 The kids issue has got to be a massive one. If the spongers keep pumping out 'pizza delivery boy junior' every year or so they seem to me to have carte blanche to get what they want. As they have no dignity anyway, what they're doing doesn't bother them in the way it would most of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Those using the system properly, I.e as a safety net, no I don't think they should. Career benefit ***** parasite scum who have no intention of working - yes, but I would go further and make them wear a uniform so that we can mock them in the streets and "encourage" them to change their ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 its interesting timing this with the update to the benefits system where all the benefits will be paid together in one lump sum, and then the claimants expected to pay their own bills. My other half is in houseing and they are already preparing for their workload to massively increase as people find they have a load of cash and don't do things like pay their rent etc Personally if they took that approach i'd stop all payments and make them homeless but apparently you can't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Those using the system properly, I.e as a safety net, no I don't think they should. Career benefit ***** parasite scum who have no intention of working - yes, but I would go further and make them wear a uniform so that we can mock them in the streets and "encourage" them to change their ways. what about the stocks surely you must fancy a shot or two with a tomato or cricket ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 My friends wife worked in a shop, claimants would come in with clothing vouchers, buy clothes, then walk around to another counter to get a cash refund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 what about the stocks surely you must fancy a shot or two with a tomato or cricket ball Conkers - cricket balls are expensive and tomatoes are too soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 no, i could be unemployed one day and i like a beer So it you where unemployed not being able to buy a beer would be an active incentive to you to get a job then ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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