cowboy1403 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 if we are going to go down the locked loaded gun by the bed then i think i will go with one of the biometric type,last thing you want to be doing is looking for the keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 i do remember the fox i wondered what happened to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 My view is very simple......I will do whatever I need to to protect my nearest and my property. Trained when I was younger in Kendo Karate and Iaido. Too old now but still have the two swords. So anyone coming into my house with evil intentions better get on the floor very fast. Any argument or show of a weapon and he is going to be an ex burglar. And stuff it if I go to jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 we must be careful gentlemen as after a while when enough burglars have been shot the normally unarmed burglar may decide to tool up as he may well conclude he may have to shoot if the householders waving a gun. I wouldn't trust some of those "tooled up" burglars with a pencil never mind a gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted October 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Interesting reading, Having worked with the police some years ago, they passed on info about burglars tactics when in a house. A favourite is knives, also a boiling kettle and in another house burglary the burglar had a pan of chip fat on the cooker for anyone going downstairs in response to a noise. It pays to know what the other guy may get up to, to deter you. The chip fat set on fire after he left. I dont know how you want to determine 'in fear for your life' but best to be aware a burglar may have defence of his own and respond accordingly - a face full of boiling chip fat could be construed as attempted murder ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I wouldn't trust some of those "tooled up" burglars with a pencil never mind a gun hope i never have to make these kind of choices decent security maybe the answer, maybe the government should do some sort of scheme to improve home security in britains homes to make this kind of crime harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Don't have a chip pan in my house so the burglar would have to make do with oven chips. He would be welcome to boil the kettle. Daresay I could do with a brew after I had cut his ears off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Dummy launcher out and ready for an early morning traing session. Sorry Mr. Burglar, you appear a little winded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Don't have a chip pan in my house so the burglar would have to make do with oven chips. He would be welcome to boil the kettle. Daresay I could do with a brew after I had cut his ears off I'm I light sleeper. I think that by the time he had broken in, rummaged through my kitchen cupboards to find a pan and oil and got them boiling, I might be alert enough, and sufficiently equipped to dissuade him from his illicit, nocturnal pomme frites shenanigans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 The law is fine as it is. You can use appropriate force in defence of yourself or someone else. You only need to fear imminent harm. I.e. You can't chase them down the path finding your shotty after them as you are not in immediate danger. Those who don't understand the law call for change (to what it already is). Home defence guns are a bad idea as people will break into homes in search of firearms or go tooled up upping the ante. Our law is appropriate to our society but unworkable in USA for example. Its a one way street which I hope we dint go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) The law is fine as it is. You can use appropriate force in defence of yourself or someone else. You only need to fear imminent harm. I.e. You can't chase them down the path finding your shotty after them as you are not in immediate danger. Those who don't understand the law call for change (to what it already is). Home defence guns are a bad idea as people will break into homes in search of firearms or go tooled up upping the ante. Our law is appropriate to our society but unworkable in USA for example. Its a one way street which I hope we dint go down. I sort of agree but struggle with the current situation where when a householder does defend themselves from an intruder the default setting is they are are initially treated as a suspect not a victim. The couple who shot the burglars recently being a case in point. Yes they were exonerated eventually, but not before they'd had the the humiliation of being banged up for three days? Was that really necessary? Was it possible for the police to establish the facts without doing that? If the proposed law changes make that scenario less likely, then that's a good thing. Edited October 9, 2012 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) The law is fine as it is. You can use appropriate force in defence of yourself or someone else. You only need to fear imminent harm. I.e. You can't chase them down the path finding your shotty after them as you are not in immediate danger. Those who don't understand the law call for change (to what it already is). Home defence guns are a bad idea as people will break into homes in search of firearms or go tooled up upping the ante. Our law is appropriate to our society but unworkable in USA for example. Its a one way street which I hope we dint go down. People already break into homes in search of firearms tooled up. I don't see that some might get tooled up because the house owner might be armed as a good reason not be armed. Edited October 9, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Most burglars are just skanky druggies looking to pay for the next fix. It's about time they got the message that now if the householder catches them they will get hurt and the law will side with the homeowner. As far as I'm concerned scumbags that burgle peoples homes forfeit their rights on the doorstep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Most burglars are just skanky druggies looking to pay for the next fix. It's about time they got the message that now if the householder catches them they will get hurt and the law will side with the homeowner. As far as I'm concerned scumbags that burgle peoples homes forfeit their rights on the doorstep. Spot on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark a Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 if i heard them down stairs i would make enough noise to let them know im awake and up and coming. with any luck they would jog off.But if they didnt then they have forced my hand to defened my wife and kids by any means,plus my two staffys would be there before me . Do you realy want to confront these ***** if you dont have to??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SniperCWF Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Most burglars are just skanky druggies looking to pay for the next fix. It's about time they got the message that now if the householder catches them they will get hurt and the law will side with the homeowner. As far as I'm concerned scumbags that burgle peoples homes forfeit their rights on the doorstep. +1 ..... It seems perverse to me that we should be forced to rely on an unarmed and ill-equiped police force (who are also often very in-efficient ansd slow to respond) to defend your property and family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 i Do you realy want to confront these ***** if you dont have to??? no id rather they just ****** of and if i lose the tv so be it. guns must be the very last resort and only for the defence of life. if life is threatened then i suppose like most better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. i do support the proposed changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabbers Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has been already said, but is home defense now a valid reason for owning a firearm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has been already said, but is home defense now a valid reason for owning a firearm? Yep. It definitely is. Put it on the FAC app alongside the 44 magnum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has been already said, but is home defense now a valid reason for owning a firearm? My understanding is that mentioning it at SGC would still be a big no no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Just put in for a 8" barrelled 50 BMG for home defence, fox and deer and got it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Well I have just packed my family off to bed and made sure my front door is open wide. Now sat at the top of the stairs behind my newly installed Dillon Aero M134D minigun giggling to myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 is a rocket launcher over the top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 is a rocket launcher over the top? Depends if he is trying to take your DVD player or XBox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Depends if he is trying to take your DVD player or XBox ok i will see if i can get 1 on ebay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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