Chr15j Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I will be pm and my main policy would be... If on benefits you must do some form of community beneficial work, eg litter picking, road cleaning, or whatever other jobs need doing but no one wants to do. Everyone wins, except those who expect free money. If they have kids they go into community creche run by trainee nursery workers etc. I am suprised this hasn't been mooted by a real politician. All hail prime minister chr15j :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Strange - last set of figures I heard about, very recently, the deficit / debt was worse than ever, worse in fact than when they came to power. Mind you I am sure they won't let a little fact like that get in the way of the B/S. yep and there are reasons for that, the figures have got worse due to the falling economy in the face of massive savings being made. Were those savings not made things would be far worse, where part of the problem comes is servicing the level of debt that exists the interest payments are collosal. This should have been dealt with in the last government but Gordon thought he could spend his way out of the problem. If you look at David Cameron there are a few reassuring things for starters he is into fieldsports which makes him slightly closer to reality in my mind and secondly he is not doing it for the money. There is enough family money there he doesn't need to work, that puts him way out in front in my mind, however where his problem lays is in the balancing act he has had to perform with the lib dems to be in power. That is what is holding things back were he to get a proper majority in the next election then things may change faster. at the moment it is global conditions holding things back as things improve (assuming they do) then proportionally the tax revenues go up massively and help to cure the problem far faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I will be pm and my main policy would be... If on benefits you must do some form of community beneficial work, eg litter picking, road cleaning, or whatever other jobs need doing but no one wants to do. Everyone wins, except those who expect free money. If they have kids they go into community creche run by trainee nursery workers etc. I am suprised this hasn't been mooted by a real politician. All hail prime minister chr15j :-D Another one I would like would be instead of money you get tokens for food gas electric etc so they can't spend it on drugs cigarettes and alcohol that would get them out looking for work in an instant I reckon........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Lets not forget it was the tory's who have put more people out of work than any other party's (Thatcher crippling the coal and steel industries). I'm sure you are aware that theres loads of foriegn workers getting paid far less than the minimum wage making them job's unavailable for people who would need minimum wage just to survive. I live not far from the port of dover and see hundred's of immigrants turn up every week, This IS a real problem and one that will only get much worse if nothing is done to stop it. There are loads of foreign workers who are happy to work for less than the minimum wage because its still double what they would get back home but it does the country no good if they don't pay tax and send the money abroad. Its good for the rogue employer but no good for the country. There is a Polski Shlep opposite the station here. Loads of job adverts in the window, in Polish. About the only job adverts you will see anywhere in this part of London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakoQuad Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) yep and there are reasons for that, the figures have got worse due to the falling economy in the face of massive savings being made. Were those savings not made things would be far worse, where part of the problem comes is servicing the level of debt that exists the interest payments are collosal. This should have been dealt with in the last government but Gordon thought he could spend his way out of the problem. If you look at David Cameron there are a few reassuring things for starters he is into fieldsports which makes him slightly closer to reality in my mind and secondly he is not doing it for the money. There is enough family money there he doesn't need to work, that puts him way out in front in my mind, however where his problem lays is in the balancing act he has had to perform with the lib dems to be in power. That is what is holding things back were he to get a proper majority in the next election then things may change faster. at the moment it is global conditions holding things back as things improve (assuming they do) then proportionally the tax revenues go up massively and help to cure the problem far faster. Hmm, I think that the vast majority of politicians are in the game for what they get out of it. Having money has never or rarely stopped any rich person positively yearning for more and the sense of power and importance is intoxicating for those who put themselves forward to become members of the "ruling class". I can certainly agree that global conditions are banjaxing any real recovery, but it seems to me that it was global conditions that played the major part in dropping us in it in the first place, precipitated in large part by some banking behaviours. Cameron and Co are merely struggling with the same stuff Brown and Co did, the difference might be who pays most towards the cost of any eventual recovery and I would put a months pension on it that it won't be the friends of the Cameron / Osborne brigade. I'd love to agree that being into fieldsports really meant that anyone was nearer reality but sadly the evidence is all around us that that doesn't work the way you and I might like it to!! I hope you are right about their ability to get it right and sort the recession / deficit etc - I somehow doubt it will happen with current policies, slash and burn alone won't get us those extra revenues we both agree we need. Edited October 11, 2012 by SakoQuad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 You know you can trust the Conservatives to get us out of our current financial mess. After all they are the party that best understands business. Their inspired solution to our financial ills? Sack everbody and tax pasties. Oh. no! Wait. Don`t tax pasties but still sack everybody. Yes that`ll work! A bunch of chancers fronted up by a comedian who`s never actually had a real job. And as as for New Liebour...... I do suppose that you all realise that in some more rural areas, a PW candidate for Parliament would be in with a real chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I will be pm and my main policy would be... If on benefits you must do some form of community beneficial work, eg litter picking, road cleaning, or whatever other jobs need doing but no one wants to do. Everyone wins, except those who expect free money. If they have kids they go into community creche run by trainee nursery workers etc. I am suprised this hasn't been mooted by a real politician. All hail prime minister chr15j :-D If you are going to force people to work then they must be paid a decent wage Forcing those on benefit to do a days work for the benefits they recieve is treading on very thin ice. If the government devises a scheme where they are to work then why should they not be employed and earn a livable wage? Not doing so can be construed as government sanctioned slave labour. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Another one I would like would be instead of money you get tokens for food gas electric etc so they can't spend it on drugs cigarettes and alcohol that would get them out looking for work in an instant I reckon........ they would just carry on dealling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 If you are going to force people to work then they must be paid a decent wage Forcing those on benefit to do a days work for the benefits they recieve is treading on very thin ice. If the government devises a scheme where they are to work then why should they not be employed and earn a livable wage? Not doing so can be construed as government sanctioned slave labour. Ian. its probably illegal to make them work for less than minimum wage europe will say computer says no no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philscreens Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I will second Chr15j Will you be looking for an immigration Minister ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Ok so how much do they get? Divide by min wage and that's the number of hours they must work. Not slave labour just paying your way. Food tokens a great idea, cut spending on booze and fags of our money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Reduce the benefits. At my work 3 people are only working 3 or 4 days a week by choice because the benefits they can get pays them the same as if they were working a 5 day week and a forth worker is going to speak to the manager about doing the same thing. Also these workers 2 are Polish 1 is Latvian and 1 is British. Now do you believe that they come here to benefit the Country they come to or to benefit themselves. It seems to me that your get rewarded more for doing less work and it really ****** me off. So reduce all the benefits cause not only will it force the dosers to go and find work it will reduce the immigrants as there's not enough jobs for them. At the next election Im voting either Tories or UKIP but it doesnt matter up here they vote anythinng in as long as it says Labour beneath it. And Labour party should be demolished for what they did to this Country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n11tht Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 my idea would be to deport anyone who refuses to work or is unable to work. a lot of foreign workers i have met put some of the british to shame with there work ethics s i believe they should stay. British residents who refuse to work should have there children taken into care and have there benefits cut off. they can have there children back once they get a job. the reduction in benefits woule pay for the childs care. a lot of people forget it took labour a decade to screw us over and who ever is in power wont fix it quickly. i wouldnt vote for labour every in my lifetime and the same goes for the lib dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 my idea would be to deport anyone who refuses to work or is unable to work. Umm, what?? Anyone who is unable to work should be deported, where? So if you lost your arms and legs in an accident you would be happy to be put on a boat and shipped off somewhere would you? Jee-zus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I was fishing in Holland last weekend. Great trip, lousy weather. I was surprised by just how much manufacturing industry they have there. Lots of factories plus all the shipping going up the river to Germany and beyond. You can see where the wealth is being generated. Tough to see how the UK can create any wealth with the low manufacturing base we have now. The promotion of "the city" and banking in general as the country's major source of income looks pretty daft when it all falls over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 The UK and London specifically is the financial business and legal capital of the world. We need to nurture this! We are no linger an industrial nation. All our industry is now intellectual and technological not mechanical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 The UK and London specifically is the financial business and legal capital of the world. We need to nurture this! We are no linger an industrial nation. All our industry is now intellectual and technological not mechanical! More's the pity. Once, we could compete with the rest of the world because we had the machinery and infrastructure to manufacture top class goods either better or cheaper than them. Then some bright sparks discovered that if we shipped the machinery abroad we could get Indians to do the work for 1/20th the price with no pesky health and safety or decent working conditions to worry about. Then, they could sell the goods back to us here, which we could buy with the money we had accumulated over the years. Now we have neither the machinery or the money, luckily we had the City ( because those Johnny Foreigners will never figure out how to work computers will they ?) to save us from bankruptcy. Unfortunately, it looks as if the City has been telling a few porkies about how much money they are making for us, and our banks are largely insolvent. In fact, if there is a house price crash ( and houses are stupidly overpriced considering how cheaply they can be built ) I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a few major UK banks fold. The strange thing is, despite the empty factories and closed business we can all see, we still, somehow, hold a reasonable place on the league table of exporters. I think it's slipping though, and I don't know if it is "real" exports or fudged by including some of the dodgy financial instruments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) What a complete mess we are in. Saddens my heart, it really does. My solutions are too radical to write here..... Edited October 11, 2012 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 The UK and London specifically is the financial business and legal capital of the world. We need to nurture this! We are no linger an industrial nation. All our industry is now intellectual and technological not mechanical! It's good to see when people recognise that we will never get anywhere producing pig iron or relying on heavy industry. The future of this country has to be technologically demanding manufacturing e.g. Nanotechnology and service industries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n11tht Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Umm, what?? Anyone who is unable to work should be deported, where? So if you lost your arms and legs in an accident you would be happy to be put on a boat and shipped off somewhere would you? Jee-zus. I mis typed, i meant any immigrants should be deported. we shouldn't let people into this country who are unable to offer anything productive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I mis typed, i meant any immigrants should be deported. we shouldn't let people into this country who are unable to offer anything productive I'm glad you said that!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 It's good to see when people recognise that we will never get anywhere producing pig iron or relying on heavy industry. The future of this country has to be technologically demanding manufacturing e.g. Nanotechnology and service industries. One of the big factories we drove past every day on the way to the fishing was producing micro chips for computers. A highly skilled and technological industry, that was also a huge employer. Manufacturing doesn't have to be heavy industry, but manufacturing is what actually produces a tangible object with inherent value, to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 One of the big factories we drove past every day on the way to the fishing was producing micro chips for computers. A highly skilled and technological industry, that was also a huge employer. Manufacturing doesn't have to be heavy industry, but manufacturing is what actually produces a tangible object with inherent value, to sell. I'd argue that advice has inherent value if it facilitates sales etc. I do agree, things like microchips are what we should be producing here alongside service industries. We have the ability to develop the correct skill base to make the most complex machines in the world if we appropriately manage human resources. I just don't feel heavy industry as it was fifty years ago has a future here given the progress of the developing world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard V Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 bnp wasted vote they will never be elected and you just end up on a mi5 file, if you want out of europe look at ukip much more electable Bunch of middle managers now, doesn't matter wheather its red, blue or yellow in those green seats if Brussels says jump they'll ask how high? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 They have no State benefit system in Spain or Portugal. What there is has been run by the church since the middle ages. The needy get the help they require but there is no getting one past the local Catholic Priest if you are swinging the lead. Or America, you get six months help to sort yourself out and then you are on your own and no exceptions. Simple solutions work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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