Gerry31 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I blame the romans that wall just not high enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 You might as well post in Klingon about as many people will understand it. Well I understood it. Guess that's one of the perks of educating yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Maxie, you are correct. When Labour were last in before Maggie came to power in 1979, they did go to the IMF and were told to poke it. Like now, the tories picked up the mess and put us back on the road to recover having to put up with the hypocrite Kinnock lambasting them. Sadly no one with Maggie's gumption is left. I left school in 1983, went on a YTS and heard all the same junk spouted a sthey are now about the "lost generation" etc. Bob Crow made me laugh today on the march. He is a typical socialist, " all in this together brothers", except my salary is not the same as an avergae union member, it's a fat cat salary, just like those he despises. No issue with a big salary, just don't complain about the others that earn it.... I thought it was welsh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I think what it is, is many Scottish people are proud to be Scottish and want more control over what happens in Scotland. Mr Salmond knows he probably wont win the vote but whats the bet there will be more powers given to Scotland after 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 (edited) Well I understood it. Guess that's one of the perks of educating yourself. If your ambition in education is learning a dying language go for it. But saying we are on a UK site that all posters understand English its a bit strange to put on a language that most don't understand. And because they don't you imply are uneducated. Maybe if Scotland get independence they will revert to speaking Gaelic that would get them far. PS. Your blue peter badge is in the post for understanding Gaelic. Edited October 20, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 The FT statement states the Irish economy has returned to GROWTH after three years of recession,where is our growth? Swallowed up in the suffocating cycle of borrowing and spending, a cycle on which much of the Scottish economy as it is currently constituted depends. Ireland has returned to growth only by breaking that cycle. And that will only put them in a position to begin repairing the damage. That's when the real work starts. They could do infinitely better if they weren't in the Euro, but that is another matter. The UK, and Scotland in particular shows no sign of even grasping that this addiction to borrowing and spending and the consequent shackle it places on the wealth creating sector is the cause of our current stagnation. Salmond, like the English left prescribes ever heavier doses of the very treatment that caused the disease in the first place. If Scotland is economically unviable as an independent state it is not unviable because it is Scotland but because of the way it is led. No one is saying that Scotland does not have what it takes - or cannot have what it takes, at least I'm not - but Salmond is selling the myth that Scotland is a ready made country just waiting to break free from the stifling embrace of the Union. It is not. It has a long long way to go to become that and none of its political leaders are proposing any of the necessary social and structural changes to bring it about. Scotland is an identity and however much that stirs the passion and swells the pride an identity is not something you can bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 If your ambition in education is learning a dying language go for it. But saying we are on a UK site that all posters understand English its a bit strange to put on a language that most don't understand. And because they don't you imply are uneducated. Maybe if Scotland get independence they will revert to speaking Gaelic that would get them far. PS. Your blue peter badge is in the post for understanding Gaelic. Gaelic is not a dying language. It is an officially recognised EU language. Google the history of the Gaeltacht. Makes for superb reading if I say so myself. Very informative stuff about the history of such a beautiful language, and the measures taken to ensure continued support of the language. It is practiced regularly in a lot of the places I frequent. I am not implying that the people on this forum are uneducated, but it didn't take a genius to work out what Alba gu bràth meant. Two seconds on google would have given you the insight into what it meant, meaning your insulting post directed at Boromir could have been avoided. Dea-lá a thabhairt duit, mo chara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 (edited) Gaelic is not a dying language. It is an officially recognised EU language. Google the history of the Gaeltacht. Makes for superb reading if I say so myself. Very informative stuff about the history of such a beautiful language, and the measures taken to ensure continued support of the language. It is practiced regularly in a lot of the places I frequent. I am not implying that the people on this forum are uneducated, but it didn't take a genius to work out what Alba gu bràth meant. Two seconds on google would have given you the insight into what it meant, meaning your insulting post directed at Boromir could have been avoided. Dea-lá a thabhairt duit, mo chara And you to my friend. Edited October 20, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Scotland is not financially capable of self Government, not now not ever. It will always have its hand out. Independence means exactly that. As an englishman they can have independence if they want it but not with strings (ie WE pay for it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 What a numpty comment to make - if you believe that you are as big an idiot as the ultra patriotic lunatics that try to sway the vote by making it tie in with bannockburn and including 16 and 17 year olds... NUmpty ? do the maths......... whats the population of scotland, how many pay basic rate tax, how many pay upper rate tax (assuming you use the established, I wont say english, system). Now consider the level of benefits you'll have to pay out. What about defence, policing, healthcare etc. Still a numpty comment ? Oh and in case you hadnt guessed I am English......... not a troll, numpty or anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 As a shooting forum PW is the best ,on politics ? in my opinion quite a few of you talk **** Said the scot living in USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Strange according to the latest Government statistics Irish GDP per capita and GNI per capita is well above the UK`s suggesting far higher living standards in the Irish republic than the U.K. Shouldnt that read EURO republic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) NUmpty ? do the maths......... whats the population of scotland, how many pay basic rate tax, how many pay upper rate tax (assuming you use the established, I wont say english, system). Now consider the level of benefits you'll have to pay out. What about defence, policing, healthcare etc. Still a numpty comment ? Oh and in case you hadnt guessed I am English......... not a troll, numpty or anything else I would say you are a numpty - as you assume I am Scottish (wrongly) and the benefits "I'll have to pay out" ....stop jumping to conclusions and ask for details before spouting tripe. I sit on the fence - and see both sides of the story. I try to be impartial as I have roots in all of the uk Barr Wales, I travel quite a bit and can say I have heard a very wide spread of opinions on Scottish, English, welsh and Irish globally - what are your opinions on this based on? Peering over hadrians wall once in a while whilst drinking earl grey? There is not a single country in the uk that is not in some sort of deficit... Regards, Gixer Edited October 21, 2012 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Independence means exactly that. As an englishman they can have independence if they want it but not with strings (ie WE pay for it) Agree, I don't mind if they want a crack of the whip and run themselves. But if they go independant then London should not have to give them a penny, all self contained, own Air Force, army, navy, coastguard, benifits etc etc. they would need billions. I can't see it happening myself, SNP as it stands would make a right mess, wouldn't be long before your all burning Scottish pound notes to keep warm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) I would say you are a numpty - as you assume I am Scottish (wrongly) and the benefits "I'll have to pay out" ....stop jumping to conclusions and ask for details before spouting tripe. I sit on the fence - and see both sides of the story. I try to be impartial as I have roots in all of the uk Barr Wales, I travel quite a bit and can say I have heard a very wide spread of opinions on Scottish, English, welsh and Irish globally - what are your opinions on this based on? Peering over hadrians wall once in a while whilst drinking earl grey? There is not a single country in the uk that is not in some sort of deficit... Regards, Gixer Nowhere in my post did I imply that you were scottish. I did state I was English, so dont jump to conclusions and cant stand Earl Gray (note use of capitals too) Even more ironic is that a relatively low wall kept the country that spurned Braveheart out. My observations are based on common sense rather than the desire to offend or any overdeveloped sense of patriotism / nationalism (no offence to intend any scot) To close. I did not call you a numpty........... reread the post. I really do despair sometimes Edited October 21, 2012 by spanj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
officerdibble777 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Said the scot living in USA yet another assumption ? Still a tax payer and will have my vote 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 yet another assumption ? Still a tax payer and will have my vote 2014 YUp, that was an assumption......... more or less correct too at a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Having a chat with my Scots Mrs ... who owns the oil in the North sea?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 YUp, that was an assumption......... more or less correct too at a guess. I see your use of capitals was a bit off there eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksaplenty Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I'm fairly synical about the whole thing. Previous conservative governments always used Scotland as their testing ground for future UK policies: student loans, poll tax etc. I can't help but wonder where this 'plan' will lead and who will actually reap the benefits from a yes vote. History shows that usually the Scottish get screwed over by the English, so if i had the vote i think i'd be putting my ego to one side and thinking really carefully about who will do better out of an independant Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Isn't cornish a recognised language? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 if westminster want to experiment by spending lots of money on the english with cheap education and all that, thats fine by me I have never understood why they give disproportionately loads of money to the other countries rather than the main part where its mostly collected. All i can think is its pure vote winning. I dont mind at all if Scotland want to go it alone (they are their own country) as long as they totally go it alone without handouts, but i really dont think they are ready and frankly dont think it would be in any of our benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I dont mind at all if Scotland want to go it alone (they are their own country) as long as they totally go it alone without handouts, but i really dont think they are ready and frankly dont think it would be in any of our benefit. :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice cushie shooter Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 There has not been enough bout the 'promisies' new independent scotland would bring. Personally i dislike salmond with a passion and feel we are being led up the garden path a bit. when you see the state of greece and spain compared to the UK i feel comfortable being a part of it and have no inclination to be independent not in the current economic climate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 The last time that the SNP was on a charge - 1975 - Winnie Ewing offered me a job in the Scottish Air Force and I wonder if that offer still stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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